Britain needs a new economic strategy to end its stagnation and close its £8,300 living standards gap with its peers.

What on earth do buckets of water have to do with measuring temperatures?

Or are you suggesting that this was the sole method of taking the temperature of water back in the benighted 19th century?

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MaizieD I assume buckets were required and lowered into the sea to check the temperature of the water!

There’s information online. Also the temperature of water going to the ship’s engine was taken.

Temperatures have always been measured in all sorts of ways, but none of the things you are mentioning would make any significant change to the overall trend of the data.

These figures are not the results of a handful of readings, but of hundreds and thousands of readings over a long perid of time

Surely if as claimed CO2 is primarily responsible then that needs to be addressed. It is not a claim, the science and evidence is there and it is being addressed. That is why UK emissions have fallend ramatically since 1990

ronib phys.org/news/2019-07-historic-sea-surface-temperature.html

Unfortunately there is no description of the y coordinates it is impossible to fully inteprete the graph. Is uspect it is years, but there is nohting to say so, either way but it shows that the problem has not been ignored and has been fully analysed.

ronib

growstuff that is not a very scholarly response. It is not a laughing matter!

Oh! Don't worry! He said a lot else besides laughing.

monica re your post Popper and Kuhn - talk about a blast from the past. Good old A level stuff!! I’d completely forgotten about that😄.

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monica re your post Popper and Kuhn - talk about a blast from the past. Good old A level stuff!! I’d completely forgotten about that😄.

Climate change deniers have resurrected them.

Thanks Monica for providing the link which explains why the buckets of water have provided data rife with peculiarities. Good explanation . So much about this debate is just that. What is surprising is the many ways that facts/evidence are conveniently repackaged to suit the narrative. But then a lower bar of proof is always allowed in this area of supposed science.

It would be very convenient for many western countries if the oil producing nations went out of business, wouldn’t it? Vested interest is always there somewhere in the background.

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monica re your post Popper and Kuhn - talk about a blast from the past. Good old A level stuff!! I’d completely forgotten about that😄.

Climate change deniers have resurrected them.

😄😄😄as they disappear below the sea as it rises around them.

As I said King Canute has nothing on them.

Wwm2 yes of course let’s disappear below the sea surrounded by wooden and canvas buckets to buoy us up temporarily. What a way to go …,

May I just ask how a thread about a new economic strategy has sunk to a petty argument about climate denial.

Why don't some of you ever start a thread on the topic you want to discuss, but are always happy to highjack others? Do you take over conversations in this way in RL? If so do you notice people often move away from you and join another group having final become bored by your lack of social skills?

Where on earth have you got the buckets idea from, ronib?

How many studies have you actually read?

Maizie D read the reference M0nica gave.
Sorry DAR I agree this is bonkers. To return to the original thread, yes of course so many people in the Uk are being economically disadvantaged and are struggling hugely with rising energy and food prices plus poor incomes. Unfortunately there’s a cost involved in transitioning to a green economy and the whole climate debate has influenced this decision.

We certainly have a problem maintaining our lifestyle for sure, but the hardship is a lot less than poorer nations that also had to pay the higher food and energy prices.

The UK is only in the lead reducing CO2 emissions because we export our pollution to China and other manufacturing nations

There's no chance of improving things with either of the two major parties. Cons have upped taxes left right and centre, and if and when Lab get in, they'll only make it worse like they always do.

It's time we gave one of the other parties a go, they couldn't make things much worse. Either that or find a new system of government, give absolute rule back to the monarch for example, he can't make it any worse.

Crikey the Job’s comforters are out in force on this thread aren’t they.

ronib What exactly do you mean by this^ But then a lower bar of proof is always allowed in this area of supposed science.^

Scientists have high and rigorous levels of proof for scientific advances.

It is those that put theories before facts, like climate change deniers, who fudge the issues around proofs. Like the ridiculous belief tahtyou put forward that because different types of buckets were used for taking sample temperatures, there would be enough deviation in the results to be useable.

M0nica apparently we are not allowed to deviate from the main theme of this thread! However I don’t think we shall ever agree about the buckets so best agree to disagree!

No one said you couldn't deviate; all threads wander around the subject.

What I did say us that when you want to talk about something so completely different you could start you own threads occasionally.

At the moment you are rather like a "friend" who never buys their round. You just piggyback on other people's efforts.

DAR I think you have rather missed the point of my argument or don’t seem able to accept it in relation to your O/P.
My husband has advised me that Gnet isn’t a good forum for this type of discussion so for once, I shall listen to him!
I shall follow any other comments with interest though.

Ahh, how sweet. Obviously not you out of step then ronib. I look forward to your very own OP.

Maybe after Christmas

There are two ways of increasing business output (and therefore tax for public spending). Either employ more workers or invest in better equipment so that each worker produces more. In the 1960s US firms in the UK usually did the latter. British firms not so much.