Anyone fancy a tory 'dream ticket' of Johnson and Farage?

Have a look at the policies that they are suggesting. 😮

Tice, of Reform party has been described as looking like the kind of person who swindles widows out of their fortune. Partner of Isobel Oakeshott.

I am stuck at home, with too much time on my hands…

According to their Companies House records, Farage is an active director (one of 4) of Reform UK Party Limited, is the majority shareholder (53%, I think), and was listed as a person with significant control of the company when it was known as The Brexit Party Linited. I can’t see any filings to suggest that his control - he can get rid of the rest of the board whenever he likes - changed when the name did. He might struggle with that in practice, since, at December 2022, the company has directors’ loans of over £1m, up from £849k the previous financial year.

Of course, as a private company, they have no members, and thus no democratic processes for developing policy or spending priorities (nor accountability for them).

Going back to The Mail, I watched Question Time last night and looked up Peter Hitchens (who I couldn’t quite place )because I found him so vile and nauseating. No surprise to find out that he writes for The Mail.

Urmstongran

There’s a lot of intellectual snobbery already showing on this thread.

‘Johnson’ (never Boris, couldn’t possibly)
Farage
The Daily Mail.

But as you all realise, popular opinion will count on the day of a GE. Sadly (for some of you) an IQ test doesn’t have to be taken prior entering the polling booth.

For what its worth I don’t think NF will switch to the Tories. He wants to support Trump next year in the USA for his presidential challenge and I believe he also enjoys his 4 nightly platform on GBNews and that would have to stop.

No it’s not going to happen.

And Boris? He got some things wrong (not Ukraine) but because of that he’s toxic now with some voters. Those who didn’t vote for Brexit. And those who vilify him over his pandemic decisions. I think his ship has sailed.

Anyway I’m voting Reform next time. Thanks for that character assassination WWmk2. I didn’t know I was a ‘weirdo’
😁

Finally, the mention of Trump upthread. Let’s also mention Hunter Biden ... 😱

Please correct me if I’m wrong but, from memory Farage tried to worm his way into the Trump administration and even Trump had the sense to reject him. Which is saying something.

GrannyGrunter

The problem is, that our country is being governed by people who have no idea how the average person lives. These toffs have all been born with silver spoons in their mouths and have no idea what it is like to scrimp and scrape. I was listening to Nigel Farage on I'm a Celebrity and he was saying that they get £300 Euros a day for just showing up for meetings and then they have a massive buffet before they all go home which includes Lobsters etc. etc. That is the tax payers money they are all enjoying and don't talk to me about the House of Lords, those unelected old f####s are getting paid for doing nothing.

But Farage didn’t turn up for meetings, especially the ones about fishing (that he was responsible for). It isn’t the fault of the EU that he didn’t bother to turn up….they wrongly assumed that someone elected to do a job would do that job to the best of their ability and that includes turning up to meetings.

I have a friend who has always thought Boris took the blame for things he wasn't responsible for. She'd have him back in a second. He had that appeal to working class Tories as the man who wasn't establishment. There are probably quite a few who still think he was hard done to. Not sure there are enough though.

Rubbish. A lot of people who go into politics come from perfectly ordinary hones - and until the 1990s many landed families were on their uppers and scraping to get by.

Anyway lack of experience of other peoples lives does not mean we cannot understand them. If that was so no one would understand anybody else about anything.

I do agree that there are people who do lack sympathy and understanding for people, but background plays very little part in it. Better chances in life do not mean lack of understanding of those who didn't have those chances

Anyway who is the 'average person'.
^ The median annual earnings in the United Kingdom was £34,963 per year in 2023. Annual earnings varied significantly by region, ranging from £44,370 in London to £31,200 in the North East.^ www.statista.com/statistics/416139/full-time-annual-salary-in-the-uk-by-region/

What does that tell you about the 'average person'. Or perhaps you mean the average age in the UK?
The median age of the population in the UK was 40.7 years in mid-2021, a year higher than in mid-2011. The increase in median age over the decade was highest in Northern Ireland, though at 39.8 years, this was still the lowest of the countries in the UK. Wales had the highest median age at 43.1 years.

What does that tell you? or do you just mean people aged 40.7 years and with an income of £34,963.

Come off it! Johnson went to Eton and Oxford - how many "average" people do you think he's ever met?

Farage went to Dulwich College and later worked as a trader on the London Metal Exchange. I came across some of them when I worked in London (maybe I even met him) and it wouldn't surprise me if some of them spaffed £300 for a round of drinks after work.

The problem is, that our country is being governed by people who have no idea how the average person lives. These toffs have all been born with silver spoons in their mouths and have no idea what it is like to scrimp and scrape. I was listening to Nigel Farage on I'm a Celebrity and he was saying that they get £300 Euros a day for just showing up for meetings and then they have a massive buffet before they all go home which includes Lobsters etc. etc. That is the tax payers money they are all enjoying and don't talk to me about the House of Lords, those unelected old f####s are getting paid for doing nothing.

Wwmk2 😁👋

urms I had no idea that you or anyone else in GN were members of Reform. So of course in that case I’m sure you are not a weirdo😄😄. I am sure that you are very content with the Truss economics that they are espousing, that is your prerogative.

With regard to using peoples surnames. I never use anything else when I’m talking about politicians - male or female, of whatever political party. I am unclear why I should use Johnson’s Christian name?

It is zero to do with intellectual snobbery😄.

MaizieD

^Farage couldn't even get elected in Thanet, which is a staunch Brexit supporting area^

Perhaps being on 'I'm a Celebrity' will do for Farage what being on 'Have I got News for You' did for Johnson.

I feel as if I am in the crowd scene of a badly written, unrealistic political drama at the moment, nothing surprises me.

I've been feeling like that for the last 7 years, HPQ. But every time I think that nothing more will surprise me, something says 'Hold my beer'...

In a world where Trump seems to be favourite to win the America presidential election I fear than anything is possible. I’m trying not to imagine a time when Farage, Trump and Johnson are world leaders. The more mud is thrown at Trump the more his popularity goes up. And this is mud that is sticking. Farage was the darling boy at the Tory Party conference and people were fawning over him. They have morphed into UKIP over the past few years so perhaps he is their natural leader. The only thing he lacks when it comes to populist leaders is a funny haircut and I’m sure he can remedy that. Now, where was that Caribbean island that Whitewave was talking about ?

It sounds more of a nightmare to me. Those who are planning on supporting Reform, may I know why? It looks to me to be a party with a fairly limited agenda . I don't feel that I have been told about any of their policies on the NHS, or defence, or Education.

Galaxy

I think he might head to the reform party, Cold.

He is the Honorary President of Reform UK.

11:13MaizieD

Nicenanny3

11:03Urmstongran

Obviously MaizieD reads the Daily Mail and post about it 😂

No way would I read that paper. It was flagged up on twitter and I skimmed the article to make sure it wasn't a joke.

Haha if you say so 😂

Yet you posted on here, me thinks you are a secret reader 😉

I find Farage infinitely more repulsive than Boris, and that’s saying something.

Nicenanny3

11:03Urmstongran

*Obviously MaizieD reads the Daily Mail and post about it 😂*

No way would I read that paper. It was flagged up on twitter and I skimmed the article to make sure it wasn't a joke.

Whitewavemark2

If it said the reform party I might believe it. That is the party for weirdos and extremists.

But one word

“Trump”

Anything is possible😬

You have summed up my own thoughts exactly.

11:03Urmstongran

Obviously MaizieD reads the Daily Mail and post about it 😂

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

I am happy to be corrected but as I recall Nigel Farage has never stood for election as a Conservative just UKIP or similar. Our electoral system doesn’t favour the smaller parties.

Maybe if he stood as a Conservative he just might win 😱

Farage stood for parliament 7 times as a UKIP candidate.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_Nigel_Farage

As far as I recall the only MP who has represented UKIP in parliament is Douglas Carswell, MP for an Essex coastal town (I forget which now, was it Clacton?) and that was only because he defected from the tories in mid term. He wasn't re-elected at the next GE

Oops, ignore that. I misread your post GG13.

I did think it was a bit odd that you didn't seem to know Farage's electoral history

It's never going to happen. What makes me laugh is the very vocal posters on here all Left leaning it seems to me never stop talking/posting about Boris/Nigel/The Daily Mail now Reform. Why? Secretly worried, or are you remembering Brexit I think those same posters thought it was a done deal Remain would win, funny how things turn out 😊

I personally do not think the Red Wall seats will automatically vote for Labour I think many will vote Reform.

GrannyGravy13

I am happy to be corrected but as I recall Nigel Farage has never stood for election as a Conservative just UKIP or similar. Our electoral system doesn’t favour the smaller parties.

Maybe if he stood as a Conservative he just might win 😱

Farage stood for parliament 7 times as a UKIP candidate.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_Nigel_Farage

As far as I recall the only MP who has represented UKIP in parliament is Douglas Carswell, MP for an Essex coastal town (I forget which now, was it Clacton?) and that was only because he defected from the tories in mid term. He wasn't re-elected at the next GE

We have to agree to disagree then MaizieD as My panic subsided when I saw the article had been in the Mail. Do people actually read that rag for news or a laugh? jumped out at me plus a couple of other comments.
Ah well.

Being in the minority doesn’t worry me.
The Lib Dem supporters have endured this for years yet still keep plugging away.

Not in the case of Biden family though Casdon as Joe Biden has been assuring the voters ‘there’s nothing to see here, move along’.