Anyone fancy a tory 'dream ticket' of Johnson and Farage?

Some may read The Daily Mail for the Health Section, others read it for the Football, others (perhaps most) for the tit-bits of scandal about Royalty, Pop-stars, soap-stars and other "celebs"

How many realise that, while they lap up this fluff, they are leaving themselves open and undefended to malignant political indoctrination?

BevSec

Yes yes yes and yes! How wonderful that would be, two of the best ever, to me Boris is up there with Churchill, highly intelligent, hard working, capable and really caring. I can pnly hope this comes off, the Tories would be voted in with the hugest landslide ever!

Irony at it’s finest BevSec, well done!

Primrose53

A poll amongst Conservatives shows Nigel Farage is more popular than Rishi Sunak.

If that was a poll of members of the tory party I'm not in the least surprised, Primrose53. They didn't want Sunak in the first place and they weren't allowed to vote for leader after the Truss debacle.

Primrose53

A poll amongst Conservatives shows Nigel Farage is more popular than Rishi Sunak.

But they also chose Truss so I don't have a lot of faith in their judgement

What's your alternative MaisieD ? Starmer and Rayner! I know who I'd choose.

Diplomat

What's your alternative MaisieD ? Starmer and Rayner! I know who I'd choose.

Well, Johnsons already had one shot at governing the country so can you tell me what exactly he's achieved other than destroying the Conservative Party?

MayBee70 BJ recently bought a large house in the countryside, made a small fortune in after dinner engagement fees and writes for the Daily Mail. Probably has other interests too.

Dan Hodges is a bit of a hack - in the sense that he has a column in the DM and has to fill it.

He's been chatting to some "senior Tories" nostalgic for the 'Boris' days because of the party's whopping majority. Mindful of their seats I expect they're anxious not to lose them.

Boris Johnson's success in attracting voters was all about Brexit. His 'charming' buffoonery and tousled hair was a novelty.

There's been a lot of water under the bridge since then. And Johnson is no longer an MP.

I think this is just a little promotion piece, lacking in critical analysis, designed to get people 'talking' and thus keep up the circulation figures. I can't take it seriously.

ronib

MayBee70 BJ recently bought a large house in the countryside, made a small fortune in after dinner engagement fees and writes for the Daily Mail. Probably has other interests too.

Oh dear.

Is that your idea of 'achievement'?

MaizieD well no of course not. BJ got what he wanted and needs to hang on to it. It would be difficult to work out what BJ achieved in the conventional sense.

What did Boris Johnson achieve?
Well a huge majority in the 2019 general election for a start.
He got Brexit done against all the odds, thwarted at every turn by the Left, determined as they were to prevent the democratic will of the population being carried out.
Oh and through his efforts we were the first country in the world to start the covid vaccination programme.

Yes he got a few things wrong but that would have been true of every country trying to cope with the pandemic.

Oh yes and he most emphatically saw off the greatest threat which would have been a Corbyn government.

I have to agree JenniferEccles he saved the U.K. from a Labour Government lead by Mr.Corbyn

GrannyGravy13

I have to agree JenniferEccles he saved the U.K. from a Labour Government lead by Mr.Corbyn

To some though, Corbyn offered the same type of dream ticket as Johnson did to others - one to a dystopian world that they envisaged but which the majority of the population didn’t want and wouldn’t vote for if they understood what it actually entailed for them. They are the opposite sides of the same coin.

I agree Casdon

If Keir Starmer does win the next election, could he bring Corbyn back though?
Of course he would always deny such a possibility, knowing as he does just how unpopular Corbyn is even with Labour supporters, but we must remember that they were (are) friends and Starmer campaigned for him in the past.

JenniferEccles

What did Boris Johnson achieve?
Well a huge majority in the 2019 general election for a start.
He got Brexit done against all the odds, thwarted at every turn by the Left, determined as they were to prevent the democratic will of the population being carried out.
Oh and through his efforts we were the first country in the world to start the covid vaccination programme.

Yes he got a few things wrong but that would have been true of every country trying to cope with the pandemic.

Oh yes and he most emphatically saw off the greatest threat which would have been a Corbyn government.

I CBA to argue with you, JE, but at this distance it's hard to judge which would have been the most disastrous government for the UK.

I can't help feeling, though, that Corbyn would have taken covid far more seriously than did Johnson and his ministers wouldn't have been any worse than the venal and talentless individuals Johnson put in place.

I'll point out, once again, that far more people voted against Johnson than voted for him. A majority of seats does not translate to a majority of voters.

JenniferEccles

What did Boris Johnson achieve?
Well a huge majority in the 2019 general election for a start.
He got Brexit done against all the odds, thwarted at every turn by the Left, determined as they were to prevent the democratic will of the population being carried out.
Oh and through his efforts we were the first country in the world to start the covid vaccination programme.

Yes he got a few things wrong but that would have been true of every country trying to cope with the pandemic.

Oh yes and he most emphatically saw off the greatest threat which would have been a Corbyn government.

He got Brexit done against all the odds, thwarted at every turn by the Left,...

It's a constant belief of Brexiters that Remainers were all of the Left. Do you not realise that many on the Left voted in favour of Brexit - and that a number of the Right voted Remain?

As for getting things wrong during the Pandemic - it wasn't the fact that he did, as you say, other countries did too - it was his laissez-faire attitude towards it, which people began to question long before the Covid Inquiry confirmed it.

Your last sentence would seem to imply that anyone critical of Johnson must by default be a Corbyn supporter - and that is most definitely not true.

JenniferEccles

If Keir Starmer does win the next election, could he bring Corbyn back though?
Of course he would always deny such a possibility, knowing as he does just how unpopular Corbyn is even with Labour supporters, but we must remember that they were (are) friends and Starmer campaigned for him in the past.

If I were a betting person I would say it would be 1000/1 that that would happen. And even that is far too low. There is no way that Keir would bring Corbyn back. I’m not aware of them being friends. People work together in parliament without being friends. Mind you, even though I believe it was a terrible mistake making Corbyn leader of the party I personally don’t see anything wrong with having someone like him on the back benches. He certainly isn’t as dangerous as those on the far right of the current government and they do have a frightening amount of power.

JenniferEccles

If Keir Starmer does win the next election, could he bring Corbyn back though?
Of course he would always deny such a possibility, knowing as he does just how unpopular Corbyn is even with Labour supporters, but we must remember that they were (are) friends and Starmer campaigned for him in the past.

I can’t think of any possible circumstances in which that would happen. Corbyn has been formally blocked from standing as a candidate for the Labour Party at the next election. Whatever you think of Starmer, he’s not a fool.

MayBee70

JenniferEccles

If Keir Starmer does win the next election, could he bring Corbyn back though?
Of course he would always deny such a possibility, knowing as he does just how unpopular Corbyn is even with Labour supporters, but we must remember that they were (are) friends and Starmer campaigned for him in the past.

If I were a betting person I would say it would be 1000/1 that that would happen. And even that is far too low. There is no way that Keir would bring Corbyn back. I’m not aware of them being friends. People work together in parliament without being friends. Mind you, even though I believe it was a terrible mistake making Corbyn leader of the party I personally don’t see anything wrong with having someone like him on the back benches. He certainly isn’t as dangerous as those on the far right of the current government and they do have a frightening amount of power.

I voted for Corbyn in the leadership election because I didn't think much of the other candidates at that time.

Liz Kendall was rather too cocky.

Andy Burnham spoke of the poorly paid but he was only talking about those in public employment. No thought given to those in low pay and often poor conditions in the private sector.

Yvette Cooper was rather quiet and seemed lack lustre.

Corbyn on the other hand talked a lot of sense.

My opinion has changed since then on 3 of them. I still don't rate Liz Kendall. I thought Corbyn let his anger show too often when talking to journalists. Burnham seems to be doing a good job of Mayor of Greater Manchester. Yvette Cooper would now be a good candidate for leader of the LP and it would be good to have a decent female PM.

I didn’t really think of Farage as a viable alternative to anything until I watched him on G B news . He talks a lot of sense and his efforts over the debunking scandal have been amazing. Boris, however, is another matter. The man is a stranger to the truth and an arch womaniser. I’d trust Farage ( as far as I’d trust any politician) but if Boris told me the date I’d have to check a calendar.

JenniferEccles

If Keir Starmer does win the next election, could he bring Corbyn back though?
Of course he would always deny such a possibility, knowing as he does just how unpopular Corbyn is even with Labour supporters, but we must remember that they were (are) friends and Starmer campaigned for him in the past.

what, you mean like Sunak brought Cameron back?

Starmer is as likely to bring back Corbyn as I am to go skydiving naked.

Can we please agree on one thing? Not all Remainers are 'lefties' and not all Brexiteers are right wing. Mick Lynch, the trade unionist is a staunch Brexiteer for start. Facts do matter.

HousePlantQueen

Can we please agree on one thing? Not all Remainers are 'lefties' and not all Brexiteers are right wing. Mick Lynch, the trade unionist is a staunch Brexiteer for start. Facts do matter.

So was Corbyn, "in his heart of hearts" it was alleged.

But I believe he was prepared to allow a final "people's vote" on the matter.