Bizarre headline in Daily Express.

The Daily Express is rubbish. No ifs no buts. Rubbish.

The Horizon program.

www.ucl.ac.uk/research-innovation-services/award-services/erio/uk-participation-horizon-europe#:~:text=The%20UK%20remains%20eligible%20to,UK%20Government%27s%20Horizon%20Europe%20Guarantee.

Probably. As for EU projects, be it on rail and other transport, industry, commerce, research, including environment and medical, etc, etc- surely not even the DM or the DE, or any Brexiters, can't even begin to complain, surely!

I have a feeling that in is only going to get worse in 2024, sadly Fleurpepper.

DaisyAnneReturns

The opposite of academic doesn't have to be lies and distortion though suelld.

Sadly, too often true though!

The opposite of academic doesn't have to be lies and distortion though suelld.

DaisyAnneReturns

The headline reads Map shows incredible new transport routes planned across Europe - but UK misses out but it seems to have originally been posted as Scheming EU countries leave UK out of ‘landmark’ transport plans as map reveals betrayal. (https://twitter.com/jonwensley/status/1739608672110530778)

Do either if those make sense to anyone? Seriously? And the map ... Are they completely mad? As someone who wants a closer relationship with the EU I can imagine using this map as part of my argument in a debate to do just that. But it was the lies in MSM papers that took us out of Europe. What, exactly, do they want now?

If someone can explain I would be grateful.

Explanation = It’s the DAILY EXPRESS ! Not exactly teeming with Academic articles!

They may have removed it from the paper proper, but they could not remove it from the aggregator: "Scheming EU leaves UK out of 'landmark' transport plans as map shows betrayal
Tim McNulty - Express - 26/12
The UK is omitted from a major trans-European transport project poised for approval by the EU Commission." www.iscaninfo.com/article/14847445/Scheming-EU-leaves-UK-out-of-%27landmark%27-transport-plans-as-map-shows-betrayal

It gets better. Or worse. My take on it is that the night editors took exception to the headline, and changed it. leftfootforward.org/2023/12/brexit-supporting-daily-express-mocked-after-throwing-hissy-fit-at-uk-being-excluded-from-eu-rail-project/

DaisyAnneReturns

I don't think I said that people were without hope, flappergirl. What I did say was they felt they had been failed. You can own a house and still feel politicians have failed you for the reasons I highlighted.

I apologise if I used the wrong wording but you were talking about people being affected by unstructured immigration and failed by the government through lack of economic growth.

Indeed, there are many people in this category and you can (almost) understand them turning to populist rhetoric. However, the examples I gave in my post are not in that bracket. Rightly or wrongly they were in the right place at the right time and the Government set them up quite nicely thank you. Immigration has not affected them and the area we live in a solidly white and English.

Believe me, these people have not been failed and honestly have no right to feel failed. Yet they still voted for Brexit and continue to vote for a Government which, after 13 years, has failed so many others.

Dinahmo

Post (or perhaps -re)war council houses often had the features described above. More space than in estates now being built with 3 bedrooms. There were 8 semis in the Suffolk village in which we used to live. The front gardens were bigger than many plots now and whenever one came onto the market they sold quickly.

flappergirl the houses may have been sold below market price but the tenants would have paid rents and they would almost certainly took ot mortgages.

Agreed, most former council houses are far superior to new builds.

I realise the tenants paid rent prior to purchasing their council homes but the rent would also have been way below market value. For example, my neighbour pays £78 a week (which includes council tax) for her very nice 2 bed council flat with front and rear garden. In our city an equivalent privately rented flat would be in the region of £1,500 a month, not including rates.

Yes, they would have had mortgages but they would have been far lower than those who bought privately. For example, a 3 bed house in 1981 in this area would have cost about £23,000. A council tenant would have paid about £9,000. It was a fantastic deal whichever way you look at it and of course Thatcher converted many Labour voters to Tories which was the whole idea.

From the London Economic

Has the Daily Express ever come this close to self awareness before? The penny almost, almost dropped this week, when the publication flew into a blind rage about an EU mega-project. A new trail transport system is set to connect the continent – while excluding the UK.

New EU rail project set to connect more major cities

The paper has been a staunch supporter of Brexit, from its inception to the present day. They have lauded every imaginary benefit, while chastising those who have spoken out against the Vote Leave campaign. Opponents have been branded as ‘Project Fear’ agents.

Well, ‘Project Reality’ may have finally caught up with the Daily Express. The network, set to introduce new train services between Rome, Munich, Milan, Paris, Venice, Barcelona and Amsterdam, will also eventually expand into Scandinavia and Iberia – as highlighted by this map:

Daily Express lash out as UK not included in EU project

One place it won’t be stretching to is Brexit Island. In what should come as a shock to no-one, EU infrastructure builds only occur in countries with EU membership. That’s as clear as day to most – but the Daily Express have labelled the move as a ‘betrayal’.

Yes, really. And although the headline has been edited to something a little more mild, screenshots last forever…

I don't think I said that people were without hope, flappergirl. What I did say was they felt they had been failed. You can own a house and still feel politicians have failed you for the reasons I highlighted.

henetha

Oh, no, DAR, it was not about any poster or thread. It was that last night every thread had strange words in, as has now been said by several posters on here. It seems to be righting itself this morning. It's fine now on my pc and on my phone.
Sorry, DAR, it was nothing personal.
PS> I can't now remember what those strange words were.

I really didn't think you were being personal. I'm really sorry if I gave that impression. I just wondered what triggered your post. Now I'm even more intrigued

Oh, no, DAR, it was not about any poster or thread. It was that last night every thread had strange words in, as has now been said by several posters on here. It seems to be righting itself this morning. It's fine now on my pc and on my phone.
Sorry, DAR, it was nothing personal.
PS> I can't now remember what those strange words were.

This is the Daily Express. The only reason I occasionally read the the Daily Express is to see what other people are reading not to read the news. It is even worse than the Daily Mail.

Post (or perhaps -re)war council houses often had the features described above. More space than in estates now being built with 3 bedrooms. There were 8 semis in the Suffolk village in which we used to live. The front gardens were bigger than many plots now and whenever one came onto the market they sold quickly.

flappergirl the houses may have been sold below market price but the tenants would have paid rents and they would almost certainly took ot mortgages.

DaisyAnneReturns

"Twisting" is very polite Maremia Populists are not geniuses. They prey on those who have been failed by moderate and centrist politicians - exactly those I would personally want in government.

But those who have taken the brunt of a failure to structualise immigration are left with only the populists offering a solution. Those who have been failed by lack of growth in the economy are left with only fascist tropes about who is to blame. Those who feel at the brunt of cultural change can only believe it's a conspiracy against them. And those who see no one doing anything for them, the people failed time after time, blame an EU they were told was at the bottom of all our problems.

Looking at this headline, I can only think that this will go on until politicians can offer hope. The group who were failed were never told they would be no better, or even worse off - so some still blame the EU.

I agree with almost everything you say but it is not just those who have been failed that follow populist politics. I live on a council estate where most of the houses are now privately owned.

The tenants bought their homes at way below market value back in the early 80's. The houses are spacious with big gardens and driveways and over the years the owners have added extensions, garages and all manner of enhancements. The houses are now very desirable and the area is becoming sought after as house prices rocket nearer to the centre of the city.

A high proportion of the residents are around my age (in their sixties) and have been blessed with next to no mortgages most of their lives. There has never been any shortage of work or good wages in this part of the city due to a large industrial estate and the docks. The residents drive new cars and enjoy holidays abroad and their children will inherit houses currently valued anywhere between £385,000 and £500,000.

That was a rather lengthy way of saying that these are not people without hope. Quite the opposite in fact. Yet almost all of them voted Brexit and most of them spout the virtues of either the Tories or the UK Reform party.

"Twisting" is very polite Maremia Populists are not geniuses. They prey on those who have been failed by moderate and centrist politicians - exactly those I would personally want in government.

But those who have taken the brunt of a failure to structualise immigration are left with only the populists offering a solution. Those who have been failed by lack of growth in the economy are left with only fascist tropes about who is to blame. Those who feel at the brunt of cultural change can only believe it's a conspiracy against them. And those who see no one doing anything for them, the people failed time after time, blame an EU they were told was at the bottom of all our problems.

Looking at this headline, I can only think that this will go on until politicians can offer hope. The group who were failed were never told they would be no better, or even worse off - so some still blame the EU.

Yes, DAR, my DH spotted that. It's the Daily Express twisting the facts again. The EU is entitled to make its own plans now. We have left, and it is none of our business. We have our own transport plans now. HS2 is being scaled down, and all of the money saved, and originally gleaned from the UK wide taxpayers, will go towards 'levelling up' the potholes in the London area.

Do you mean the OPs are strange henetha, or the way people are interacting with them?

I have been putting up OPs for years, on an off. I don't think they have changed that much, although the politics has. I mentioned the other day that we seemed to have had an influx of new GN members. It felt to me as if they were from coming over from Mumsnet. There will be an impact from a group of people, used to doing things in a different way, all joining at about the same time. Individuals joining over time will change us, but the blend will less dramatic and noticeable.

If this has been an influx from Mumsnet they are most likely to change the demographic on here. Hopefully, as well as feeling they must teach us what their generation feels is the way to do things they will also be prepared to learn how we have found a way that, generally, works.

GN gone mad with strange threads..anyone else got this?

I'd forgotten that, NotSpaghetti. I think I heard it on the radio. I wonder if there are, or some Conservatives believe there are, some who voted Brexit who will still believe this nonsense. I imagine there are sadly, but surely they will lose those who recognise the madness of this sort of statement.

I don't know why but it's obviously a period of silly headlines Daisy

Here's one that made me laugh - though less curious in and of itself:

Pint of wine, anyone? UK looks to bring back ‘silly measure’

I put it up so we could discuss it, as others have said MissInterpreted. News and Politics has, as I understand, alway been a discussion/debating thread and I have found it a instructional one too. I hadn't heard about the The London Economic until Dickens mentioned it. Another source is always useful as are the facts and views others provide.