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Bizarre headline in Daily Express.

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DaisyAnneReturns Wed 27-Dec-23 17:25:52

The headline reads Map shows incredible new transport routes planned across Europe - but UK misses out but it seems to have originally been posted as Scheming EU countries leave UK out of ‘landmark’ transport plans as map reveals betrayal. (https://twitter.com/jonwensley/status/1739608672110530778)

Do either if those make sense to anyone? Seriously? And the map ... Are they completely mad? As someone who wants a closer relationship with the EU I can imagine using this map as part of my argument in a debate to do just that. But it was the lies in MSM papers that took us out of Europe. What, exactly, do they want now?

If someone can explain I would be grateful.

MissInterpreted Wed 27-Dec-23 17:39:20

If you have an issue with a newspaper headline, wouldn't it be better to take it up with the newspaper in question? Not sure what posting it on here is meant to achieve.

Dickens Wed 27-Dec-23 18:05:51

MissInterpreted

If you have an issue with a newspaper headline, wouldn't it be better to take it up with the newspaper in question? Not sure what posting it on here is meant to achieve.

At a guess, I think DAR is looking for opinions from others on this topic, rather than having a pressing need to take up the matter with the media.

It's not unusual for posters to comment on things they read in the papers and invite comment.

DAR I read about it in The Independent, where it was posited that these new plans / links would be of great benefit to Brits going abroad in future.

You won, get over it’: Daily Express throws hissy-fit after UK excluded from EU rail project is The London Economic take on the matter.

The Express changed its headline when 'someone' pointed out the irony of moaning about a plan that only applies to EU member states, when said paper did everything possible to make sure Britain wasn't going to remain one of them!

lemsip Wed 27-Dec-23 18:17:50

MissInterpreted

If you have an issue with a newspaper headline, wouldn't it be better to take it up with the newspaper in question? Not sure what posting it on here is meant to achieve.

what a mean response!

NotSpaghetti Wed 27-Dec-23 18:27:37

I'm not clear what to comment on here?
The fact that a paper changed a headline or that we wouldn't be included in an EU map?

Am I missing the point?

MissInterpreted Wed 27-Dec-23 18:29:15

NotSpaghetti

I'm not clear what to comment on here?
The fact that a paper changed a headline or that we wouldn't be included in an EU map?

Am I missing the point?

I felt the same, hence my comment...

NotSpaghetti Wed 27-Dec-23 18:29:17

DaisyAnneReturns I can't make your twitter address open even if I copy and paste. Is it still thete please?

Dinahmo Wed 27-Dec-23 18:32:31

The EU have been linking motorways for many years to provide through routes. If you drive in France you will see A numbers (autoroute) also with an E number. For example, the A89 goes from Bordeaux eastwards to Clermont Ferrand and then Lyon. The E road goes south west from Bordeaux to Coruna. Eastwards it ends on the Black Sea Coast. There is another which starts in Cork , goes to Felixstowe, over to the Hook of Holland and then to Moscow and beyond.

Here's a map of the proposed routes transitmap.net/e-road-network-2020-cameron-booth/

Throughout years of holidaying in France we have sat in traffic jams and diversions particularly on the autoroute du soleil.

Freya5 Wed 27-Dec-23 19:56:58

Well it will be of use, eventually, when travelling in Europe.
Just think of the cost to us if we were still in. Much more than HS2 and that was bad enough.

Casdon Wed 27-Dec-23 20:15:15

Freya5

Well it will be of use, eventually, when travelling in Europe.
Just think of the cost to us if we were still in. Much more than HS2 and that was bad enough.

The difference being that joining up routes between countries in Europe will benefit millions of drivers every year, including British drivers and goods, whereas HS2 has been a shambolic, ill thought through waste of money?
DaisyAnne Returns I don’t see what meaning this article has, it seems to be an attempt to inflame the already ill informed about something that is happening in Europe. It’s really a very juvenile tactic.

flappergirl Wed 27-Dec-23 20:19:19

MissInterpreted

If you have an issue with a newspaper headline, wouldn't it be better to take it up with the newspaper in question? Not sure what posting it on here is meant to achieve.

What a strange thing to say. I thought Gransnet was an open forum where people felt free to discuss and get different perspectives on all manner of things ranging from current affairs, politics, the paranormal and family issues. Sometimes this can "achieve" a result in good advice or an explanation of a particular subject but mostly the posts are just points of interest. I enjoy this variety and the connection brings to others. Long may it stay that way!

flappergirl Wed 27-Dec-23 20:23:13

"connection it brings to others" that should read.

DaisyAnneReturns Wed 27-Dec-23 20:33:52

NotSpaghetti

DaisyAnneReturns I can't make your twitter address open even if I copy and paste. Is it still thete please?

It's because I put brackets round it, I think NotSpaghetti. It works for me if I leave them off. Sorry about that.

DaisyAnneReturns Wed 27-Dec-23 20:51:58

I put it up so we could discuss it, as others have said MissInterpreted. News and Politics has, as I understand, alway been a discussion/debating thread and I have found it a instructional one too. I hadn't heard about the The London Economic until Dickens mentioned it. Another source is always useful as are the facts and views others provide.

NotSpaghetti Wed 27-Dec-23 21:18:47

I don't know why but it's obviously a period of silly headlines Daisy

Here's one that made me laugh - though less curious in and of itself:

Pint of wine, anyone? UK looks to bring back ‘silly measure’

DaisyAnneReturns Wed 27-Dec-23 21:59:23

I'd forgotten that, NotSpaghetti. I think I heard it on the radio. I wonder if there are, or some Conservatives believe there are, some who voted Brexit who will still believe this nonsense. I imagine there are sadly, but surely they will lose those who recognise the madness of this sort of statement.

henetha Wed 27-Dec-23 23:15:33

GN gone mad with strange threads..anyone else got this?

DaisyAnneReturns Thu 28-Dec-23 08:19:17

Do you mean the OPs are strange henetha, or the way people are interacting with them?

I have been putting up OPs for years, on an off. I don't think they have changed that much, although the politics has. I mentioned the other day that we seemed to have had an influx of new GN members. It felt to me as if they were from coming over from Mumsnet. There will be an impact from a group of people, used to doing things in a different way, all joining at about the same time. Individuals joining over time will change us, but the blend will less dramatic and noticeable.

If this has been an influx from Mumsnet they are most likely to change the demographic on here. Hopefully, as well as feeling they must teach us what their generation feels is the way to do things they will also be prepared to learn how we have found a way that, generally, works.

Maremia Thu 28-Dec-23 08:53:29

Yes, DAR, my DH spotted that. It's the Daily Express twisting the facts again. The EU is entitled to make its own plans now. We have left, and it is none of our business. We have our own transport plans now. HS2 is being scaled down, and all of the money saved, and originally gleaned from the UK wide taxpayers, will go towards 'levelling up' the potholes in the London area.

DaisyAnneReturns Thu 28-Dec-23 09:46:39

"Twisting" is very polite Maremiawink Populists are not geniuses. They prey on those who have been failed by moderate and centrist politicians - exactly those I would personally want in government.

But those who have taken the brunt of a failure to structualise immigration are left with only the populists offering a solution. Those who have been failed by lack of growth in the economy are left with only fascist tropes about who is to blame. Those who feel at the brunt of cultural change can only believe it's a conspiracy against them. And those who see no one doing anything for them, the people failed time after time, blame an EU they were told was at the bottom of all our problems.

Looking at this headline, I can only think that this will go on until politicians can offer hope. The group who were failed were never told they would be no better, or even worse off - so some still blame the EU.

flappergirl Thu 28-Dec-23 11:26:55

DaisyAnneReturns

"Twisting" is very polite Maremiawink Populists are not geniuses. They prey on those who have been failed by moderate and centrist politicians - exactly those I would personally want in government.

But those who have taken the brunt of a failure to structualise immigration are left with only the populists offering a solution. Those who have been failed by lack of growth in the economy are left with only fascist tropes about who is to blame. Those who feel at the brunt of cultural change can only believe it's a conspiracy against them. And those who see no one doing anything for them, the people failed time after time, blame an EU they were told was at the bottom of all our problems.

Looking at this headline, I can only think that this will go on until politicians can offer hope. The group who were failed were never told they would be no better, or even worse off - so some still blame the EU.

I agree with almost everything you say but it is not just those who have been failed that follow populist politics. I live on a council estate where most of the houses are now privately owned.

The tenants bought their homes at way below market value back in the early 80's. The houses are spacious with big gardens and driveways and over the years the owners have added extensions, garages and all manner of enhancements. The houses are now very desirable and the area is becoming sought after as house prices rocket nearer to the centre of the city.

A high proportion of the residents are around my age (in their sixties) and have been blessed with next to no mortgages most of their lives. There has never been any shortage of work or good wages in this part of the city due to a large industrial estate and the docks. The residents drive new cars and enjoy holidays abroad and their children will inherit houses currently valued anywhere between £385,000 and £500,000.

That was a rather lengthy way of saying that these are not people without hope. Quite the opposite in fact. Yet almost all of them voted Brexit and most of them spout the virtues of either the Tories or the UK Reform party.

Dinahmo Thu 28-Dec-23 11:48:32

Post (or perhaps -re)war council houses often had the features described above. More space than in estates now being built with 3 bedrooms. There were 8 semis in the Suffolk village in which we used to live. The front gardens were bigger than many plots now and whenever one came onto the market they sold quickly.

flappergirl the houses may have been sold below market price but the tenants would have paid rents and they would almost certainly took ot mortgages.

Jackiest Thu 28-Dec-23 11:49:25

This is the Daily Express. The only reason I occasionally read the the Daily Express is to see what other people are reading not to read the news. It is even worse than the Daily Mail.

henetha Thu 28-Dec-23 13:12:38

Oh, no, DAR, it was not about any poster or thread. It was that last night every thread had strange words in, as has now been said by several posters on here. It seems to be righting itself this morning. It's fine now on my pc and on my phone.
Sorry, DAR, it was nothing personal. smile
PS> I can't now remember what those strange words were.

DaisyAnneReturns Thu 28-Dec-23 20:41:22

henetha

Oh, no, DAR, it was not about any poster or thread. It was that last night every thread had strange words in, as has now been said by several posters on here. It seems to be righting itself this morning. It's fine now on my pc and on my phone.
Sorry, DAR, it was nothing personal. smile
PS> I can't now remember what those strange words were.

I really didn't think you were being personal. I'm really sorry if I gave that impression. I just wondered what triggered your post. Now I'm even more intrigued smile