Is escalating the conflict by bombing the Houthis the way to go?

Oh and they speak Farsi. I've taught children who only spoke it.

Oh you speak fluent Farsi too? Amazing

Farzanah- I agree about the push to ‘take sides’ and posted about that earlier.
The world seems increasingly polarised and the Israel_Palestine situation reflects that. Discussions with my friends and family suggest many of us see 7 October and the continuing response of bombing as being obscene.
I find those who seek to ‘justify’ 7/10 by blaming Balfour then the Israelis very difficult to accept.

1947 happened. A way forward which doesn’t include mor killing has to be found

I had the saddest conversation about Israel today. There will be no peace for at least 100 years. There might be a pause in a few months but fighting will resume. Nothing is going to change. I almost wept. How did life get to this point?

Farzanah

Reading posts on here you’d imagine this war has very clear baddies and goodies, but it’s far more complex than taking sides. Hamas are undoubtedly terrorists with little regard for human life, but is Netanyahu’s extreme right wing and uncompromising government any better?

I suspect the human reaction of most of us was horror and disgust at the carnage wreaked on innocent families by Hamas on Oct 7th, but also feel similar reactions when we see maiming and deaths of innocent families in Gaza, and destruction of their homes.

Unfortunately the polarisation of political debate seems to mean that we have to sign up to one camp or the other, but I suspect many of us are equally disgusted by both.

These Israelis and Palestinians are our fellow human beings and in essence wish the same for their lives and children as we do.

Hate for one side or another is not the way. War has to end eventually and compromises have to be made.

I don’t take sides in this conflict, both are to blame, Israel for treating the Palestinians badly and Hamas for wanting to destroy Israel. Looking back at all the violence over the years Palestinians attack Israel, they strike back and ten times as many Palestinians die.

If Israelis had not stolen Palestinian land and Palestinians had not elected Hamas there would not have been a war. So the solution is for Hamas to leave Gaza and Israel to reverse the expansion.

Women’s Revolutionary Guard.
In any society there are women that have a conservative outlook, who think other women behave badly and should be controlled. There are also women that bully others it only takes a government that also has that opinion to have a dress code police.

Expecting every country to have the same freedoms that we have is unrealistic.

Oreo

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

ronib

In more normal times, would the UN not have had a peacekeeping role in keeping shipping safe?

I don't think the UN has any teeth left, ronib

Unfortunately I agree with you, the UN appears to be as effective as the proverbial chocolate teapot.

Well it might help if countries like Israel actually complied with the resolutions they passed.
The UN only works if the rules they were established with are kept by everyone.

Russia doesn’t comply with anything it doesn’t fancy.

No but Russia is kept within certain boundaries by opposition from other countries supported by the west. No one supports the Palestinians without being accused of supporting terrorism.

Reading posts on here you’d imagine this war has very clear baddies and goodies, but it’s far more complex than taking sides. Hamas are undoubtedly terrorists with little regard for human life, but is Netanyahu’s extreme right wing and uncompromising government any better?

I suspect the human reaction of most of us was horror and disgust at the carnage wreaked on innocent families by Hamas on Oct 7th, but also feel similar reactions when we see maiming and deaths of innocent families in Gaza, and destruction of their homes.

Unfortunately the polarisation of political debate seems to mean that we have to sign up to one camp or the other, but I suspect many of us are equally disgusted by both.

These Israelis and Palestinians are our fellow human beings and in essence wish the same for their lives and children as we do.

Hate for one side or another is not the way. War has to end eventually and compromises have to be made.

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

ronib

In more normal times, would the UN not have had a peacekeeping role in keeping shipping safe?

I don't think the UN has any teeth left, ronib

Unfortunately I agree with you, the UN appears to be as effective as the proverbial chocolate teapot.

Well it might help if countries like Israel actually complied with the resolutions they passed.
The UN only works if the rules they were established with are kept by everyone.

Russia doesn’t comply with anything it doesn’t fancy.

Asking them to return to their own borders is not denying them a state.

I agree, Glorianny.

I don't think many would have denied Israel their State after the terrible experience of the Jews in the 1930s and WW2, but their aggressive occupation of land beyond its borders since the establishment of Israel has alienated a lot of goodwill.

nanna8

Just wondering where in the world the Jewish people should go if you deny them Israel? They have worked hard to make it a modern country, should they just leave - because that is what you seem to be saying? Back way back when they moved out of Egypt into the desert for 40 years, would you want them to go back there? They actually do have a long and ancient history in the Middle East,just as much as the Palestinians.

Over 500,000 people marched in London at the weekend among them a large group of Jewish people. This concept that Israel acts in the name of all Jews has to stop. Israel has rejected a two state solution many times and occupies land they took by force against International Law. Asking them to return to their own borders is not denying them a state. Try reading the account of the Rabbi I posted earlier on this thread

I think Glorianny makes her views quite plain, nanna8

Just wondering where in the world the Jewish people should go if you deny them Israel? They have worked hard to make it a modern country, should they just leave - because that is what you seem to be saying? Back way back when they moved out of Egypt into the desert for 40 years, would you want them to go back there? They actually do have a long and ancient history in the Middle East,just as much as the Palestinians.

ronib

A very quick look at the wiki seems to show bias against Israel and preference for Palestine in the UN.

That's because Israel has broken so many of the rules of the UN. Taking territory by force and refusing to return it. Blockading a country. Making some of its people second class citizens.
Palestine as a country claims Jerusalem as its capital, but that and much of the rest of its territory is administered by the Israelis. It's effectively an occupation
Gaza used to be Egyptian until Israel overran it and forced the Palestinians into it.

A very quick look at the wiki seems to show bias against Israel and preference for Palestine in the UN.

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

ronib

In more normal times, would the UN not have had a peacekeeping role in keeping shipping safe?

I don't think the UN has any teeth left, ronib

Unfortunately I agree with you, the UN appears to be as effective as the proverbial chocolate teapot.

Well it might help if countries like Israel actually complied with the resolutions they passed.
The UN only works if the rules they were established with are kept by everyone.

Those comments just prove how ineffective and useless the UN is!

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

ronib

In more normal times, would the UN not have had a peacekeeping role in keeping shipping safe?

I don't think the UN has any teeth left, ronib

Unfortunately I agree with you, the UN appears to be as effective as the proverbial chocolate teapot.

I agree.

It's a waste of time and money.

Ah well, China supplies most of our goods and services now anyway. I don’t think closing the Suez will make that much difference. We don’t get a lot from Europe these days, or the Middle East really, except petrol. Maybe the electric car roll out will be a bit faster.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

ronib

In more normal times, would the UN not have had a peacekeeping role in keeping shipping safe?

I don't think the UN has any teeth left, ronib

Unfortunately I agree with you, the UN appears to be as effective as the proverbial chocolate teapot.

Well it might help if countries like Israel actually complied with the resolutions they passed.
The UN only works if the rules they were established with are kept by everyone.

MaizieD

ronib

In more normal times, would the UN not have had a peacekeeping role in keeping shipping safe?

I don't think the UN has any teeth left, ronib

Unfortunately I agree with you, the UN appears to be as effective as the proverbial chocolate teapot.

ronib

In more normal times, would the UN not have had a peacekeeping role in keeping shipping safe?

I don't think the UN has any teeth left, ronib

Glorianny

Katie59

I think it’s better to close the Suez Canal a therefore remove the problem until the Gaza War is resolved, it’s not going to collapse world trade we just pay a little more for everything. It would affect Egypt they could be compensated.

Although we were justified in attacking the Houthis for targeting a US ship, we don’t want to start a war in the Gulf as well as Ukraine and Gaza

That's an interesting solution. I do think it will be less and less used. It's far easier to pass the increased cost of transport on to the consumer than it is to sort out the insurance if your vessel is hijacked or even delayed by Houthi fire.

Well, that's what I suggested yesterday, remove the targets...

I'm glad I'm not the only one...

What do people think the Houthi would do next if they've no shipping to detain?

Glorianny I have no idea what you are trying to prove other than you know more than anyone else…

In more normal times, would the UN not have had a peacekeeping role in keeping shipping safe?

Katie59

I think it’s better to close the Suez Canal a therefore remove the problem until the Gaza War is resolved, it’s not going to collapse world trade we just pay a little more for everything. It would affect Egypt they could be compensated.

Although we were justified in attacking the Houthis for targeting a US ship, we don’t want to start a war in the Gulf as well as Ukraine and Gaza

That's an interesting solution. I do think it will be less and less used. It's far easier to pass the increased cost of transport on to the consumer than it is to sort out the insurance if your vessel is hijacked or even delayed by Houthi fire.

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny I have no idea what you know or how you know it!

I know due to two eloquent and well educated ladies who refuse to call themselves Iranian, they prefer Persian. Describing their lives before and after the change to radical Islam in their country of birth and how they managed to flee with the blessings of their family.

Of course Iranians are Persians. Of course many flew the country. Some of them were supporters of the Shah, some of them brought money out and look after their family's financial assets here. There are also many Iranian students in our universities. Some of them go back some of them stay.Some of them bring their children with them.
It's all irrelevant there are still women in Iran who supported the revolution and joined the Women's Revolutionary Guard.
Now I'm going to stop this ridiculous game of you trying to prove you know more than me about something.
Oh and they speak Farsi. I've taught children who only spoke it.