Sir Ed Davey

ProbablyCasdon

But calling on others so many times to do the honourable thing and expressing does not seem to app,y to Ed himself.

And - Sorry seems to be the hardest word.

I'm sorry because I quite liked Ed.

expressing?
I did type resign

Must check.

Callistemon21

ProbablyCasdon

But calling on others so many times to do the honourable thing and expressing does not seem to app,y to Ed himself.

And - Sorry seems to be the hardest word.

I'm sorry because I quite liked Ed.

I agree. Sorry costs nothing. I don’t think throwing Vince Cable and Jo Swinson in the ring was right in this context though.

I’ve sent a screenshot of your post to dh, Callistemon - he’s a fervent LD supporter and a party member. I’m now just waiting for him to pick holes, but maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

I don’t know how I’m going to vote next time. I’ve voted LD several times, largely because the only alternative is the Tories - Labour come nowhere here - it’s not because I’m enamoured of them.

If there’s a Monster Raving Loony candidate, I might even go that far - it’s been known once before, when I was sick to death of the lot of them!

I always liked to think that the Lib Dems were more measured and sincere in outlook than the 2 main contenders. Now? I just think they are woolly nonentities. A wasted vote.

Witzend

I’ve sent a screenshot of your post to dh, Callistemon - he’s a fervent LD supporter and a party member. I’m now just waiting for him to pick holes, but maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

I don’t know how I’m going to vote next time. I’ve voted LD several times, largely because the only alternative is the Tories - Labour come nowhere here - it’s not because I’m enamoured of them.

If there’s a Monster Raving Loony candidate, I might even go that far - it’s been known once before, when I was sick to death of the lot of them!

He’s come back already, picking holes - albeit not very big ones. ‘It’s all politically motivated…’ etc.

I know he’ll now be spending ages in his lair (aka study) checking all the facts, in the hope of telling me they’re wrong or at least misrepresented.

This is a witch hunt and like all witch hunts it is not pretty.
Many people should resign over this affair before ED.

Sounds like he should be there too.
I cant see what is wit ch hunt about it all.

Even if he is 7th in line to go, and there are 10, then I dont see the problem[apart from the fact it is all such a sorry mess to warrant 10 in the first place].

And if calling for resignation is a witch hunt perhaps he should stop doing it.

Ilovecheese

He is tainted now, which wont help the LibDems at election time. Is there another person who could take over the leadership? I don't know much about how they choose their leaders, is there time to establish a "clean skin" before the next election?
I agree he is being unfairly singled out, but that ship has sailed now,

I don’t think it unfair at all.Unfair is what happened to almost a thousand subpostoffice owners.

Witzend

I’ve sent a screenshot of your post to dh, Callistemon - he’s a fervent LD supporter and a party member. I’m now just waiting for him to pick holes, but maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

I don’t know how I’m going to vote next time. I’ve voted LD several times, largely because the only alternative is the Tories - Labour come nowhere here - it’s not because I’m enamoured of them.

If there’s a Monster Raving Loony candidate, I might even go that far - it’s been known once before, when I was sick to death of the lot of them!

Our Lib Dem candidates are usually very good, Witzend but have never succeeded in this constituency. I wonder what they're thinking now?

This is a witch hunt and like all witch hunts it is not pretty.
If you want to know what a witch hunt looks like, winterwhite, then you need to look no further than what was orchestrated against the subpostmasters, subpostmistresses over years of torment by the Post Office officials, Governments and Fujitsu, compounded by employing a top, expensive legal firm and fighting them in court!

Apologising might be a start but Ed seems unable to do that.

Urmstongran

I always liked to think that the Lib Dems were more measured and sincere in outlook than the 2 main contenders. Now? I just think they are woolly nonentities. A wasted vote.

I’ve always thought they were woolly nonentities.😄

winterwhite

This is a witch hunt and like all witch hunts it is not pretty.
Many people should resign over this affair before ED.

Many people should resign over this affair including Ed Davey.

I feel disillusioned.

Casdon

prestbury

Is there something about the past and current leaders of the Liberal Democrats that makes them hate post office workers.

Vince Cable - oversaw the breakup of the Royal Mail into privatised Royal Mail and public owned Post Office, Ed Davey - Postal Minester 2010 t0 2012 and Jo Swinson -Postal Minister from 2012 to 2015. Surely they cannot all have missed the signals. LD members have also been asked to deflect any questions while electioneering .

Has it occurred to you that these people were handed a known to be poisoned chalice in a coalition government? I’m not a Lib Dem supporter, but my first thought was that they were shafted.

At the time of their appontment, their leader was Deputy Prime Minister, I wonder what part he played in their appointments of the "poisoned chalice".

Sorry, resign!

Apart from the vile motivation of certain political parties and their supporters in the media, is there any logical explanation for shifting the entire blame for the Post Office scandal onto an ex minister who was involved with Post Office matters for only 2 years out of the last 25 years, during which time another 19 politicians had that responsibility?

Especially as Ed Davey was one of the very few Post Office Ministers who took action?

It is so depressing to see how easily so many people allow their views to be manipulated by the right wing press.

I know none of us can think for ourselves, you are the only one capable of that. Oh and I havent read any of the right wing press coverage of this issue.

So, if you haven't been exposed to any anti-LibDem propaganda,how can you explain why you would want to point the finger of blame at Ed Davey. rather than any of the other 19 ministers who were responsible for the Post Office since 1999?

varian

So, if you haven't been exposed to any anti-LibDem propaganda,how can you explain why you would want to point the finger of blame at Ed Davey. rather than any of the other 19 ministers who were responsible for the Post Office since 1999?

I was wondering about this, varian. After all, he's the only one of the 20 ministers who actually met Alan Bates...

I think it's the association with his brother's firm which is swinging the witch hunters against him.

I wonder who they're going to turn on once they've hounded Davey out of office?

prestbury

Casdon

prestbury

Is there something about the past and current leaders of the Liberal Democrats that makes them hate post office workers.

Vince Cable - oversaw the breakup of the Royal Mail into privatised Royal Mail and public owned Post Office, Ed Davey - Postal Minester 2010 t0 2012 and Jo Swinson -Postal Minister from 2012 to 2015. Surely they cannot all have missed the signals. LD members have also been asked to deflect any questions while electioneering .

Has it occurred to you that these people were handed a known to be poisoned chalice in a coalition government? I’m not a Lib Dem supporter, but my first thought was that they were shafted.

At the time of their appontment, their leader was Deputy Prime Minister, I wonder what part he played in their appointments of the "poisoned chalice".

I think the Lib Dem’s in the coalition government were guilty of - naivety. I agree with varian regarding singling out the Lib Dem’s who were involved specifically, it looks like a deliberate smear campaign. It’s not a coincidence that this is an election year.
Having said that, I do think Ed Davey would have gained more respect if he’d said sorry - as would all those involved.

I don't think it is anything to do with his employment as a solicitor (his profession before entering parliament). It is just a reflection of the bias of our media.(80% + right wing)

"Liberal Democrat leader Ed Davey has hit out at the Post Office's "conspiracy of lies" as he lays out his intention to quash the convictions of those affected by the Horizon scandal.

Davey has faced questions over his role in the scandal after working as Post Office minister in David Cameron's government between 2010 and 2012.

He accused the Post Office of lying to him and other ministers over the matter which has resulted in Rishi Sunak unveiling primary legislation that will exonerate wrongfully convicted sub-postmasters.

"They told me the same thing", he said.

"The Horizon system was working and there weren't many sub-postmasters involved. It was clearly a conspiracy of lies.

"What has become clear is, the Post Office were lying to the sub-postmasters, lying to victims, lying to courts and judges, lying to ministers of all parties over two decades."

www.gbnews.com/news/ed-davey-post-office-conviction-postmasters

So why did GB News, The Telegraph, The Daily Mail, and the rest of the right wing media try to lay all the blame at the door of Ed Davey, who oversaw the PO only two years of the twenty five years that this scandal has continued?

What about the HSF part?

He’s undoubtedly a scapegoat. These things are always political.

I spent some time involved with the lib dems varian whilst labour went through its phase of not wanting to win elections. I was able to form some opinions of the party during that time.
I have pointed this out many times but large sections of the population are now not getting information from the MSM, the influence of the telegraph etc is waning, I am not sure that the this has dawned on the MSM yet.
One of the first points I made on the thread about the PO was that decisions made in reaction to public anger are rarely good decisions I am not for example going to join in the cheering on of ITV just yet until I am more clear why the previous CEO of the post office didnt get much attention in their broadcast. I actually dont particularly want Daveys head (mainly because I would worry layla moran would replace him) but it's not a witch hunt to ask some questions and the label lib dem or labour does not automatically mean they are one of the goodies.