Sir Ed Davey

But why is Sorry such a difficult word to say?

Why is on

“Why is sorry such a difficult word to say?” Is not really the main question, Callistemon. A more pertinent one would be Why is only one person being called upon to say it?

I’ve just watched this. Ian Hislop gets very annoyed, but he has it I think.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuNjMs2BxEs

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They're not.

Why would you ask that? There are threads about other people involved too, others named.

If a General Election is approaching, surely we need the leader of a political party to answer questions on their role in this scandal?

If you have questions of others, feel free to start threads.
I'm sure posters, including me, will be interested.

That was to winterwhite

winterwhite

The question I asked was:

Should Ed Davey now resign and a new leader be appointed well before a General Election this year?

If you think he should not resign you are perfectly entitled to say so.

There is an interesting article about Davey relating to the PO scandal in the Mail Online. I have no idea if it is factually correct. See
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12957971/ed-davey-postmasters-horizon-post-office-scandal.html

His conscience should tell him what to do without others having to spell it out. I think this reflects the type of person he is.

He's not the only politician to have ignored this and sided with Post Office officials
But he is the only politician to have worked for his brother's firm of lawyers, HSF, from 2015 to 2022, which advised the Post Office in its fight against the subpostmasters and subpostmistresses in court cases.

Typical politician- do as I say not as I do.

A former Postmistress is to stand against him at next general election.

He's always the first to demand resignation from others doing impropriety so he should follow his own advice

Callistemon21

He's not the only politician to have ignored this and sided with Post Office officials
But he is the only politician to have worked for his brother's firm of lawyers, HSF, from 2015 to 2022, which advised the Post Office in its fight against the subpostmasters and subpostmistresses in court cases.

Is there any evidence that he was directly involved in giving this advice?

I can't believe that he would refuse to apologise if he had been directly involved or absolutely aware of this involvement by his brother's firm. After all, some of the really guilty parties are falling over themselves to apologise.

It makes no sense at all that an experienced politician would refuse to apologise, unless they genuinely and absolutely believed that they had done nothing to be associated with the persecution of the SPMs.

I'm not a huge fan of guilt by association...

Did anyone listen to the ongoing piece on Radio 4 this morning.
Just when you think your blood cant boil any hotter, it does 😡
If Tony Blair had listened to Gordon Brown all those years ago we wouldn’t be where we are now.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000jfyv

My OH is a Lib Dem member and is appalled by Davey. He should resign, hand back his gong and donate his HSF earnings to the victims. And not stand for re-election.

Anniebach

A former Postmistress is to stand against him at next general election.

I do hope she wins!

I hope she wins too. According to reports she has been getting abusive communications about standing. Disgraceful.

I'm not a huge fan of guilt by association ...

I find it impossible to believe that he was totally unaware of what the firm was doing as he and his brother are reputedly very close.

Callistemon21

^I'm not a huge fan of guilt by association^ ...

I find it impossible to believe that he was totally unaware of what the firm was doing as he and his brother are reputedly very close.

All the same, Callistemon, I'd prefer more concrete evidence. Like a signature on something directly connected, perhaps?

Has Davey been known to be shady, 'entitled', arrogant, mendacious or untrustworthy in the past?

It's the refusal to apologise that is *really *puzzling me.

He should hand back his knighthood and extra lucrative payments he does not deserve at the very least!

He is toast and not before time.

MaizieD

Callistemon21

I'm not a huge fan of guilt by association ...

I find it impossible to believe that he was totally unaware of what the firm was doing as he and his brother are reputedly very close.

All the same, Callistemon, I'd prefer more concrete evidence. Like a signature on something directly connected, perhaps?

Has Davey been known to be shady, 'entitled', arrogant, mendacious or untrustworthy in the past?

It's the refusal to apologise that is *really *puzzling me.

No, I liked him ☹ thought he had integrity.
Perhaps that's why I feel so let down.

Callistemon21

MaizieD

Callistemon21

I'm not a huge fan of guilt by association ...

I find it impossible to believe that he was totally unaware of what the firm was doing as he and his brother are reputedly very close.

All the same, Callistemon, I'd prefer more concrete evidence. Like a signature on something directly connected, perhaps?

Has Davey been known to be shady, 'entitled', arrogant, mendacious or untrustworthy in the past?

It's the refusal to apologise that is *really *puzzling me.

No, I liked him ☹ thought he had integrity.
Perhaps that's why I feel so let down.

If you thought he had integrity don't you find the refusal to apologise very puzzling?

Someone like Johnson would have done it like a shot, without meaning a word of it.

So why won't Davey?

I'm a Lib Dem supporter. I find that, of the main parties, its values of fairness for all are more appealing to me.
I do think that both the big parties, but the Conservatives in particular, scared of the forthcoming GE, are weaponising Ed Davey's former position as Post Office minister. Having said that, I would have liked him to apologise for not having dug deeper into the question at the time.
I'd like to see Daisy Cooper as leader, but no doubt the Tory press will find something to accuse her of too.

MaizieD

Callistemon21

MaizieD

Callistemon21

I'm not a huge fan of guilt by association ...

I find it impossible to believe that he was totally unaware of what the firm was doing as he and his brother are reputedly very close.

All the same, Callistemon, I'd prefer more concrete evidence. Like a signature on something directly connected, perhaps?

Has Davey been known to be shady, 'entitled', arrogant, mendacious or untrustworthy in the past?

It's the refusal to apologise that is *really *puzzling me.

No, I liked him ☹ thought he had integrity.
Perhaps that's why I feel so let down.

If you thought he had integrity don't you find the refusal to apologise very puzzling?

Someone like Johnson would have done it like a shot, without meaning a word of it.

So why won't Davey?

Only he can answer that!

Johnson would have waffled on endlessly and never got to the point. Then smirked.

Davey will say anything but sorry.