Sir Ed Davey

Anniebach

A former Postmistress is to stand against him at next general election.

I do hope she wins!

My OH is a Lib Dem member and is appalled by Davey. He should resign, hand back his gong and donate his HSF earnings to the victims. And not stand for re-election.

Did anyone listen to the ongoing piece on Radio 4 this morning.
Just when you think your blood cant boil any hotter, it does 😡
If Tony Blair had listened to Gordon Brown all those years ago we wouldn’t be where we are now.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000jfyv

Callistemon21

He's not the only politician to have ignored this and sided with Post Office officials
But he is the only politician to have worked for his brother's firm of lawyers, HSF, from 2015 to 2022, which advised the Post Office in its fight against the subpostmasters and subpostmistresses in court cases.

Is there any evidence that he was directly involved in giving this advice?

I can't believe that he would refuse to apologise if he had been directly involved or absolutely aware of this involvement by his brother's firm. After all, some of the really guilty parties are falling over themselves to apologise.

It makes no sense at all that an experienced politician would refuse to apologise, unless they genuinely and absolutely believed that they had done nothing to be associated with the persecution of the SPMs.

I'm not a huge fan of guilt by association...

He's always the first to demand resignation from others doing impropriety so he should follow his own advice

A former Postmistress is to stand against him at next general election.

Typical politician- do as I say not as I do.

He's not the only politician to have ignored this and sided with Post Office officials
But he is the only politician to have worked for his brother's firm of lawyers, HSF, from 2015 to 2022, which advised the Post Office in its fight against the subpostmasters and subpostmistresses in court cases.

His conscience should tell him what to do without others having to spell it out. I think this reflects the type of person he is.

There is an interesting article about Davey relating to the PO scandal in the Mail Online. I have no idea if it is factually correct. See
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12957971/ed-davey-postmasters-horizon-post-office-scandal.html

winterwhite

The question I asked was:

Should Ed Davey now resign and a new leader be appointed well before a General Election this year?

If you think he should not resign you are perfectly entitled to say so.

That was to winterwhite

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They're not.

Why would you ask that? There are threads about other people involved too, others named.

If a General Election is approaching, surely we need the leader of a political party to answer questions on their role in this scandal?

If you have questions of others, feel free to start threads.
I'm sure posters, including me, will be interested.

I’ve just watched this. Ian Hislop gets very annoyed, but he has it I think.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuNjMs2BxEs

Why is on

“Why is sorry such a difficult word to say?” Is not really the main question, Callistemon. A more pertinent one would be Why is only one person being called upon to say it?

But why is Sorry such a difficult word to say?

I spent some time involved with the lib dems varian whilst labour went through its phase of not wanting to win elections. I was able to form some opinions of the party during that time.
I have pointed this out many times but large sections of the population are now not getting information from the MSM, the influence of the telegraph etc is waning, I am not sure that the this has dawned on the MSM yet.
One of the first points I made on the thread about the PO was that decisions made in reaction to public anger are rarely good decisions I am not for example going to join in the cheering on of ITV just yet until I am more clear why the previous CEO of the post office didnt get much attention in their broadcast. I actually dont particularly want Daveys head (mainly because I would worry layla moran would replace him) but it's not a witch hunt to ask some questions and the label lib dem or labour does not automatically mean they are one of the goodies.

He’s undoubtedly a scapegoat. These things are always political.

What about the HSF part?

I don't think it is anything to do with his employment as a solicitor (his profession before entering parliament). It is just a reflection of the bias of our media.(80% + right wing)

"Liberal Democrat leader Ed Davey has hit out at the Post Office's "conspiracy of lies" as he lays out his intention to quash the convictions of those affected by the Horizon scandal.

Davey has faced questions over his role in the scandal after working as Post Office minister in David Cameron's government between 2010 and 2012.

He accused the Post Office of lying to him and other ministers over the matter which has resulted in Rishi Sunak unveiling primary legislation that will exonerate wrongfully convicted sub-postmasters.

"They told me the same thing", he said.

"The Horizon system was working and there weren't many sub-postmasters involved. It was clearly a conspiracy of lies.

"What has become clear is, the Post Office were lying to the sub-postmasters, lying to victims, lying to courts and judges, lying to ministers of all parties over two decades."

www.gbnews.com/news/ed-davey-post-office-conviction-postmasters

So why did GB News, The Telegraph, The Daily Mail, and the rest of the right wing media try to lay all the blame at the door of Ed Davey, who oversaw the PO only two years of the twenty five years that this scandal has continued?

prestbury

Casdon

prestbury

Is there something about the past and current leaders of the Liberal Democrats that makes them hate post office workers.

Vince Cable - oversaw the breakup of the Royal Mail into privatised Royal Mail and public owned Post Office, Ed Davey - Postal Minester 2010 t0 2012 and Jo Swinson -Postal Minister from 2012 to 2015. Surely they cannot all have missed the signals. LD members have also been asked to deflect any questions while electioneering .

Has it occurred to you that these people were handed a known to be poisoned chalice in a coalition government? I’m not a Lib Dem supporter, but my first thought was that they were shafted.

At the time of their appontment, their leader was Deputy Prime Minister, I wonder what part he played in their appointments of the "poisoned chalice".

I think the Lib Dem’s in the coalition government were guilty of - naivety. I agree with varian regarding singling out the Lib Dem’s who were involved specifically, it looks like a deliberate smear campaign. It’s not a coincidence that this is an election year.
Having said that, I do think Ed Davey would have gained more respect if he’d said sorry - as would all those involved.

varian

So, if you haven't been exposed to any anti-LibDem propaganda,how can you explain why you would want to point the finger of blame at Ed Davey. rather than any of the other 19 ministers who were responsible for the Post Office since 1999?

I was wondering about this, varian. After all, he's the only one of the 20 ministers who actually met Alan Bates...

I think it's the association with his brother's firm which is swinging the witch hunters against him.

I wonder who they're going to turn on once they've hounded Davey out of office?

So, if you haven't been exposed to any anti-LibDem propaganda,how can you explain why you would want to point the finger of blame at Ed Davey. rather than any of the other 19 ministers who were responsible for the Post Office since 1999?

I know none of us can think for ourselves, you are the only one capable of that. Oh and I havent read any of the right wing press coverage of this issue.

Especially as Ed Davey was one of the very few Post Office Ministers who took action?

It is so depressing to see how easily so many people allow their views to be manipulated by the right wing press.