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Callistemon21 Wed 24-Jan-24 23:33:50

"Don't tell them your name *Doodledog!!"

nanna8 Wed 24-Jan-24 23:32:19

I could just imagine an army of OAPs who don’t pay tax. I used to love Dad’s Army back in the day. I assume pensioners don’t have to pay tax of course.

Callistemon21 Wed 24-Jan-24 23:27:57

It could be that the head of the armed forces is trying to cause an outcry
General Sir Patrick Sanders is Head of the British Army, not Head of the UK Armed Services.
He is due to retire soon.

growstuff Wed 24-Jan-24 23:23:26

NotSpaghetti

^Maybe non-taxpayers should be expected to ‘do something’ in lieu of contributing financially to society beyond their families?^

really?!

Who doesn't pay some form of tax in the UK?

nanna8 Wed 24-Jan-24 23:22:56

I think they might have a few problems recruiting in this day and age. So many different opinions, so many different loyalties. It’s a different country to how it was in 1939.

Callistemon21 Wed 24-Jan-24 23:20:45

The numbers of Armed Forces have been cut back drastically over the years, with more cuts forecast.

Perhaps this is a warning by the Head of the Armed Services that proposed Government cutbacks would be a foolish move.

Dickens Wed 24-Jan-24 23:19:26

There has been a lot in the news about whether the UK will need to conscript citizens in the event of an increasingly likely war in future. What do people make of this?

I'm just deeply depressed at the thought of some of our collective grandchildren ultimately having to become expendable combatants.

I understand that we can't just leave mainland Europe to 'get on with it', but the thought of war is too deeply depressing to even think about what we might be able to do. Or what, in a national emergency, we would be compelled to do.

My step-son was in Iraq. It was an awful, awful worrying time.

Sorry can't contribute something more positive.

Doodledog Wed 24-Jan-24 22:58:45

NotSpaghetti

^Maybe non-taxpayers should be expected to ‘do something’ in lieu of contributing financially to society beyond their families?^

really?!

I’m mooting possible ideas, is all. Why not? We all pay for the armed forces in tax, and they defend everyone, so it would be a way of contributing.

I don’t think responsibility should necessarily fall to the young, who are often resentful of older people anyway. Why not ask people who don’t work to give up a day a week? Obviously if they are looking after a sick person or are I’ll themselves it would be a bad idea, or maybe it’s just a bad idea anyway - I don’t know what I think at this stage.

I don’t think that National Service should be used as punishment- if it comes in it should be across the board for eligibility, I think.

As I said, I’m not talking about Dad’s Army - it could be making food, helping to keep the country self-sufficient, or knitting socks grin. I really don’t know, but it would be interesting to think about whether it should happen, and if so, how.

Katie59 Wed 24-Jan-24 22:45:30

The government through parliament has the power to mandate anyone to do anything in times of crisis, war, threat of war, national disaster, it doesn’t mean everyone has to take up arms, the majority will need to take part in Civil Aid and Welfare according to their ability

NotSpaghetti Wed 24-Jan-24 22:35:51

Maybe non-taxpayers should be expected to ‘do something’ in lieu of contributing financially to society beyond their families?

really?!

Doodledog Wed 24-Jan-24 22:26:09

There has been a lot in the news about whether the UK will need to conscript citizens in the event of an increasingly likely war in future. What do people make of this?

It could be that the head of the armed forces is trying to cause an outcry so that more funds go into defence, or it may be that we do need to be ready to defend ourselves. Clearly our generations are unlikely to be required as ‘boots on the ground’ but our children and/or grandchildren might be, and we could be expected to do ‘something’ depending on the nature of the conflict.

Should defence be paid for from taxation, should we all get involved in some way, should there be national service of some kind (and if so, what kind?) or something else? Should there be age limits or should we all be expected to ‘do something’?

I’m not sure what to think, beyond that whatever happens should be fair. Maybe non-taxpayers should be expected to ‘do something’ in lieu of contributing financially to society beyond their families? Maybe workplaces with more than x employees should have to give a day off a month for people to ‘do something’? I don’t know. By ‘do something’ I am not suggesting taking up arms or fitness training - there will be many ways that people could help. It could formalise the voluntary work that many people do anyway, maybe cut loneliness, keep people fit - there are all kinds of possible benefits - but should it be compulsory?