Brexit Fallout

It makes me uncomfortable, as a remainer as it is generally the middle class mocking the working class, with zero understanding if why it might have happened in the first place.

"Why does it make some feel some uncomfortable"

Because they know, or at least suspect, that Brexit was not the sunny uplands they had been promised. They were duped by Eton educated, self promoting con artists who inexplicably convinced them that they were down to earth sorts who understood their every day struggles.

Posing with a pint of beer in a pub or pretending to be a dishevelled clown are obviously the entry level requirements for the role. Oh, and looking after friends with offshore investments (sorry, forgot that one).

The groaners do not want to face the truth.

Brexit has been, as many of us foresaw, an unmitigated disaster for the UK.

Those who voted Leave were misled by the Leave Liars - Farage, Johnson et all.

It is difficult for many folk to accept that they were lied to, they were convinced by the lies, and therefore they voted the wrong way in the fraudulent referendum of 2016.

However many have now faced up to that and admitted their mistake.

Others just cannot face admitting they were wrong so continue to try to defend the indefensible.

Democracy means you may vote again. Let's put this whole issue to bed, and see how many folk still agree with Brexit. Simples.

Siope

*the line bellyaching has to stop at some point*

Can’t see why. It’s important that those who want to reverse or ameliorate the decision to leave continue to campaign and inform on relevant matters.

The obvious comparison is with those who wished to leave and who persevered for 40 years.

The obvious comparison is with those who wished to leave and who persevered for 40 years.

Quite! You could say bellyaching at its finest - which would be rather childish.

What I don't understand is why some people seem to think it should no longer be discussed. It's effects are still being felt by various individuals, businesses - the effect on a musician friend of mine and his ability to tour in Europe with his small opera group has been pretty problematic. Plus the fact that negotiations are far from being finalised. It's still a work in progress.

The negotiations will shape our nation for decades so why the heck should it not be discussed?

And specifically, on GN, if posters see "Brexit" as the topic, and it makes them "groan" - why not just scroll past it?

Why does it make some feel so uncomfortable?

Hormone fed beef cattle imported from Canada? No thanks! Apart JRM who I’m sure thinks it’s fine.

"Happy 4th birthday Brexit"

Jonty Bloom, writing in The New European

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/happy-fourth-birthday-brexit/?utm_source=The+New+European+Newsletter&utm_campaign=b3afeafca5-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2024_01_25_07_59&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c4286598f9-b3afeafca5-274920336&mc_cid=b3afeafca5&mc_eid=cdcbb36c0b

Whitewavemark2

Brexit simply hasn’t worked - so why on Earth would we ignore that fact?

I belong to the European Movement Organisation but I despair that we will ever actually rejoin, despite the fact that there is now a majority in favour of doing so.. I have alsohad to change some medications because of shortages..

Galaxy

Being sensible is underrated in politics

Oh, so much

I agree that Starmer is being sensible, but that doesn't stop other people talking about it, does it?

Yes I agree - he is being sensible about a lot of stuff, which must frustrate the right wing press who are resorting to trying to suggesting the most ridiculous things relating to his previous career.

Being sensible is underrated in politics

Yes, I think he is.

Than to bring Brexit into an election campaign.

Galaxy

Starmer is more sensible than that I hope.

More "sensible" than what Galaxy?

😄 yes I guess so, but why if they are happy to see the economy less robust as a result of Brexit do they bother with these threads? I wouldn’t. I can happily ignore thread that I think are not for me.

Democracy has simply passed by the people who keep saying it Siope. After all not allowing a vote means they want to turn us into a dictatorship. But then, if we have learned nothing else over the last 14 years, that is exactly what a small proportion do want.

Whitewavemark2

Brexit simply hasn’t worked - so why on Earth would we ignore that fact?

Because it would make Leave voters lives more comfortable if we did?

Starmer is more sensible than that I hope.

Brexit simply hasn’t worked - so why on Earth would we ignore that fact?

the line bellyaching has to stop at some point

Can’t see why. It’s important that those who want to reverse or ameliorate the decision to leave continue to campaign and inform on relevant matters.

The obvious comparison is with those who wished to leave and who persevered for 40 years.

winterwhite

And even Jacob R-M's 'rough five years' are up now. And things are far, far rougher than even pessimists predicted. I'd like to hear Keir Starmer being a bit more robust about the disaster of Brexit.

Why would he do that at this point winterwhite. Have you not noticed we have an election coming up? Brexit is unlikely to be on the menu - except as a criticism of the cack-handed Tories.

After and if they win, working toward being a part of strong outer economic ring around the EU will be able to be moved forward and hopefully the stupidity of an extreme Brexit will never be mentioned again.

Oreo

Groan, this old record being played again?
My Mum has no probs getting her diabetic type2 meds, I know cos I pick them up for her.
All this years down the line bellyaching has to stop at some point, it’s like some just enjoy being prophets of doom.
I didn’t vote for it but more people did and I accept that.Have to say I haven’t noticed anything changing since then.The pandemic was the worst thing and thank God that’s over.

There is no denying that the drugs issue is real though Oreo. All countries are having problems with supply of certain drugs, but we don’t have the price negotiating clout that we would have done as part of the EU. I’m not as pessimistic as some regarding supply, but what we will have to do is pay more than the EU does to ensure we get them, which is an inflationary pressure.

It took Canada and the EU a long 7 years to sort their trade agreement out.

The Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) is a free-trade deal between Canada and the EU. CETA was negotiated between 2009 and 2014 and signed by Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, in Brussels on 30 October 2016, before the European Parliament approved the deal in February 2017.22

Groan, this old record being played again?
My Mum has no probs getting her diabetic type2 meds, I know cos I pick them up for her.
All this years down the line bellyaching has to stop at some point, it’s like some just enjoy being prophets of doom.
I didn’t vote for it but more people did and I accept that.Have to say I haven’t noticed anything changing since then.The pandemic was the worst thing and thank God that’s over.