It doesn't look as if Labour's lead is softening

No, I’m just saying that there’s no need to pick people up because you feel their guess/opinion is less informed than your own, that’s what kills threads.

Of course nanna8 has an opinion, or "guess" as she called it Casdon. That is what I said.

However, there are facts and experts in the pre-election world and a knowledge of how our elections work. So when people offer their "guess" on a serious discussion thread, others can equally put a value on its validity.

Or are you telling us we may not?

We are all just guessing though, from our individual knowledge bases and perspectives, DaisyAnneReturns, so nanna8 has as valid an opinion as the rest of us.

You are just guessing nanna8. Nothing more - and from another country.

Just guessing but I think it will be a close run election and Labour will probably win but not by as much as expected. Things change very suddenly and quickly during election time, it only takes a hint of a scandal to swing things. Dispassionately, neither candidate looks exactly inspiring. I would be very nervous. Tell you what, swap you for our Labour government! You’re most welcome to them!

siope I am sorry you felt unable to allow your incisive comment to stand and that you asked for it to be deleted. However as another poster has copied and pasted it, you might ask Gnet to remove that comment too?

sure!

Siope

DAR I realise you don’t know my background, so don’t mean to be patronising, but I confess to raising my eyebrows (and possibly even rolling my eyes) at your last post.

The other day I listened to Keir Starmer speaking to the Civic Society and saying that we need private industry, civil society and the state to work together.

I have spent 40+ years, in three countries, with a wide, wide range of governments, working on exactly this agenda. I could bore for any one of them on the topic, failures and successes, programmes, policy and implementation, economics and resources, reality rather than rhetoric. In fact, I have done, and some daft people have even published the results (which doesn’t mean anyone is daft enough to read them)

And I have massive concerns that Labour is failing to demonstrate that they understand the key barriers to meaningful and genuine engagement (let alone equitable partnerships) by many sections of civil society and the private sector (where they seem to be focusing all their attention on large institutions), let alone explaining how they will work to remove those barriers.

Congratulations on your "background". I am dure it has helped you form your views, just as mine has helped me for my views.

By the way, my name is DaisyAnneReturns but I am happy with Daisy.

I’m interested to know if you think the other UK parties are more effective and/or more honest in their engagement with the electorate and business than Labour Siope, and if you think this is a British politics issue, or common in your wider experience?

Casdon The left wing of the Labour Party doesn’t agree with RR that Uk corporation tax should remain at the lowest rate for G7 countries for the duration of a possible Labour government.
I think rather than floating ideas about, some substance and reason needs to be voiced. Otherwise just another gimmick … and there’s no shortage of that.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Casdon

Can you explain in what way you think it would benefit the chances of the Labour Party being elected if she did that ronib, because I can’t? A wise party doesn’t display their cards on the table until the election date has been declared, surely.

Indeed.

The speech is here. www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE4lk_ol_lA

Always better to watch before commenting.

Can you explain in what way you think it would benefit the chances of the Labour Party being elected if she did that ronib, because I can’t? A wise party doesn’t display their cards on the table until the election date has been declared, surely.

MaizieD. RR’s speech today implied trickle up from the bottom sectors as opposed to the Truss non starter of trickle down from the top. Although isn’t that what we have at the moment?

Some facts and figures from RR would help a lot.

🙂 there is always the thought that elections results rarely reflect the polls, and although it is difficult to imagine a Tory win, there have been instances where it has flipped or been very narrow at the end.

So definitely all to play for.

Mind you they must be a weird set of masochists who go out and vote for more of what we’ve had over the past few years - but there is no accounting for folk😄😄

If you did a similar list for the Tories, Lib Dem’s, SNP and Reform Whitewavemark2, then did a prediction of the election result you’d be rich.

Labour needs to be prepared for a sharp closing of the polls and subsequent far fewer seated imo for a variety of reasons. I’ve outlined 4.

Voter ID - favours the older and wealthier voter, which in turn favours the Tories

The Islamic vote - Starmer’s rhetoric around the Palestinian issue.

Younger voters - traditionally they have always voted labour, but there is a distinct shift between the genders - males favouring more authoritarian figures, females becoming more empathetic and shifting to the left.

Boundary changes - Tories have gained 13 Labour have lost 6.

Siope

As a natural Labour voter, who has always voted for them whilst living in England, I’m finding it harder and harder to justify voting for them this time.

It’s not specifically because of bankers’ bonuses. It’s a slow trickle of policy announcements that seem increasingly far from my values, and which I don’t believe shift the balance back to tackling the mess the Tories have made of just about everything.

Given I live in a Tory safe seat, where my vote genuinely won’t matter, I may well vote Green, although I will wait for the Manifestos before I decide.

I would wait for the declaration of the election and the manifestos if I felt as you do Siope.

As a Democratic Centrist I am happier and happier with what I am hearing. The other day I listened to Keir Starmer speaking to the Civic Society and saying that we need private industry, civil society and the state to work together.

Anyone who only believes in only socialist economics or only capitalism is missing out on so much of what is possible.

As a natural Labour voter, who has always voted for them whilst living in England, I’m finding it harder and harder to justify voting for them this time.

That's how I feel, Siope, but they have a very good chance of dislodging the tories in my 'red wall' constituency so I'll grit my teeth and vote for them.

I think she's depending on trickle down, ronib. And placing her faith in private investment.

I still say that the private sector won't invest where there is no profit to be made, unless they think that the public sector is going to buy their goods and services (like the technological advances in healthcare that you have great faith in).

But that's only a part of the private sector. Those expecting to make a profit from UK consumers don't have much of a prospect of success.

Is Rachel Reeves suggesting trickle up - growing the economy from the bottom up? How is that going to work?
I am disillusioned by now with hearing rhetoric and no detail. Mark Carney seems captivated though.

As a natural Labour voter, who has always voted for them whilst living in England, I’m finding it harder and harder to justify voting for them this time.

It’s not specifically because of bankers’ bonuses. It’s a slow trickle of policy announcements that seem increasingly far from my values, and which I don’t believe shift the balance back to tackling the mess the Tories have made of just about everything.

Given I live in a Tory safe seat, where my vote genuinely won’t matter, I may well vote Green, although I will wait for the Manifestos before I decide.

I hope you’ve been listening to RR’s speech just now, extolling the virtues of the finance industry and its importance to the economy.

My last post by by other means