I knew there would be a reason why they are saying they will not reverse the threshold for bankers bonuses.
The cannot do everything straight away. If they leave this as it is the treasury will get in more than if the took a lower bonus and made up for the missing amount by
I expect all those hoping for the tax on unearned and work income to be matched, can understand that this may take some time. Meanwhile, it seems to me that the Tories have not yet caught up with the fact that RR has put one over on them - and neither have some of her own party.
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(117 Posts)Today's Opinium poll is interesting for those who like this sort of thing.
You can find it here twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1751334275721400502?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
I'm afraid I still can't put the charts on here and would be grateful if anyone can help.
Opinium is well regarded amongst those who know about these things. It does differ from other polls in that it awards more of the "don't knows" to the Conservatives. This is not a good or a bad thing, just something to be aware of.
The most striking thing to me is in the most important issues facing the country. Unsurprisingly, the NHS is top followed by the Economy. But is the gap that is a surprise. Health/NHS is top for 64% with Economy second with 42%!
MaizieD
I'd boot out Rachel Reeves.
If what she's saying now is how she intends to run the economy when chancellor it'll be more booty for the wealthy and more hardship for the those at the bottom...
I really hope it's just a ploy to keep the right wing media at bay...
Do you know what they are intending to do Maizie?
I haven't heard, and dont think we will until an election is declared. I want to know what they will do, rather more than what they won't do.
There is, as they say, more than one way to skin a cat.
Not worrying for me.
Germanshepherdsmum
AGAA4
I don't have much faith in polls and I know there are still staunch Tory voters who keep a low profile but will vote to keep Labour out.
This is worrying.Presumably it’s only worrying if you want to see a Labour government.
I think it's worrying for all of us. Another 5 years of this incompetent government doesn't bear thinking about.
A lot of things are paid for directly or indirectly by the taxpayer - street lighting and police for example. Does that get pointed out every time they are mentioned, as the NHS does? Do we hear that householders who install a light outside their front-door, using a private contractor and at their own expense are subsidising the lesser beings who just use the lamp-posts provided for all inhabitants?
furzeacre579
also Maisie - nearer to Muslims taking UK over as they are labour voters
I think they'll have a job to do that. Try a fact check:
www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-will-britain-have-a-muslim-majority-by-2050
also Maisie - nearer to Muslims taking UK over as they are labour voters
I think MaizieD that the NHS will benefit enormously from advances in science. So will filter down to the NHS patients who remain the largest group of end users. Funded by the taxpayer.
Potential profits for who, ronibThe private sector selling these to the NHS state sector, or the private sector providing private treatment to those who can afford it. Two tier health care?
MaizieD I think there are huge potential profits in the medical sectors - new technology for cancer treatments, robotic surgery and AI. If I knew for sure, I would invest my tuppences there.
DaisyAnneReturns
nanna8
People say one thing and do another ,though. Polls are notoriously inaccurate where I live, don’t know about the UK. Also- a week is a long time in politics as they say . Anything can happen, all sorts of jiggery pokery ,at the last minute.
The best of ours have got "notoriously" better in recent years nanna8 by using multilevel regression with poststratification (MRP).
The problem is that although the majority of polling is accurate it us on gross figures telling you how people intend to vote across the country (at this moment on this day). Even that may/will be useful when analysed by experts, but what matters are seats. All votes are not of equal value under FPTP.
Just as not all cats are black not all polling companies are equal. This does not mean they are out to mislead you but they will each have their strengths. YouGov are at the top of election polling with a couple of others.
That’s exactly why I’d encourage people to get the Sky Poll Tracker, because it’s more reliable for summarising all the polls instead of relying on one source.
Tell me, ronib. What are the 'investment sector' going to invest in when they can see no profit for themselves?
Are bankers’ bonuses not taxed ? There’s the option of raising taxes on bonuses I suppose. But that won’t lead to a thriving investment sector which is in RR’s sights. Interesting turn of events!
Tell me how a load of parasitic speculators (i.e much of the the financial services industry) are going to drive growth? All they do is suck public money out of the economy...
The only way we will get anywhere near growth is state investment in the public sector putting more money into the domestic economy. Private investors aren't going to put money into an economy where fewer people have money to spend. They want the profits arising from consumption. No prospect of profit = no investment.
MaizieD sounds like trickle down economics? Going for growth? RR wants to expand the financial sector so it might make sense. Although weren’t uncapped bonuses for bankers problematic and played a major role in the last financial crisis?
I'd boot out Rachel Reeves.
If what she's saying now is how she intends to run the economy when chancellor it'll be more booty for the wealthy and more hardship for the those at the bottom...
I really hope it's just a ploy to keep the right wing media at bay...
SeaWoozle
I'll vote anyone who will keep out the Tories. Around here it's the LibDems.
Despise the Tories but not a fan of Starmer by any means. If they got rid of him they'd win by a landslide.
Whom would you replace him with? I like Angela Rayner but many, certainly on here think she's uncouth.
New boundaries and voter ID favour Tories 😐
I'll vote anyone who will keep out the Tories. Around here it's the LibDems.
Despise the Tories but not a fan of Starmer by any means. If they got rid of him they'd win by a landslide.
nanna8
People say one thing and do another ,though. Polls are notoriously inaccurate where I live, don’t know about the UK. Also- a week is a long time in politics as they say . Anything can happen, all sorts of jiggery pokery ,at the last minute.
The best of ours have got "notoriously" better in recent years nanna8 by using multilevel regression with poststratification (MRP).
The problem is that although the majority of polling is accurate it us on gross figures telling you how people intend to vote across the country (at this moment on this day). Even that may/will be useful when analysed by experts, but what matters are seats. All votes are not of equal value under FPTP.
Just as not all cats are black not all polling companies are equal. This does not mean they are out to mislead you but they will each have their strengths. YouGov are at the top of election polling with a couple of others.
Polls can be inaccurate to a degree, but it would be unprecedented for the margin of error to be so large that it would result in a shock win for the Tories this time. One thing Keir Starmer has proved adept at so far is having a nose for trouble and avoiding it, so tactics to discredit him personally aren’t likely to work, particularly now when the electorate is so disillusioned with the Tories - unless there is a huge skeleton in his closet we currently know nothing about. The attempt to discredit Ed Davey doesn’t appear to have had much effect either.
What struck me about this poll was just how few under fifties are planning to vote Tory, and what that will mean going forward for their prospects.
I agree nanna8.
Sounds egotistical, but I go by myself somewhat. I am a floating voter.
For may years, elections have gone how I thought they would/wanted.
I think I want a hung parliament this time. I havent wanted that in a long while.
In an ideal world, I would very much like the masses to abandon both main parties.
But not many seem to think like me, in that particular aspect.
I still know stanch Tory voters.
But it is the silent majority that swings things.
And we may not know what they are all thinking until after voting has been completed, and the polls have all closed.
People say one thing and do another ,though. Polls are notoriously inaccurate where I live, don’t know about the UK. Also- a week is a long time in politics as they say . Anything can happen, all sorts of jiggery pokery ,at the last minute.
MaizieD
If anyone's interested, here's the latest yougov on voting intentions by age group
Interesting! Labour has an overall majority in all under 50 age groups. The Conservatives don't have an overall majority in any age group.
Bring it on! Vote Reform! Split the anti-Labour vote! It sounds good to me. 
Skydancer
I know it's important to vote but I agree with some things the Conservatives say, some things Labour stand for and much that the Green Party stands for. I also quite like a lot about the Lib Dems. So how do I vote? I wish we could vote on separate issues.
Can't you just eliminate the Tories because of the way the country has been run for the past 13 years?
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