Emergency Aid To Gaza Halted Because Israel Says So?

MayBee70

There’s a lot of war mongering going on in this country, too. My grandsons school had someone from the army giving a careers guidance talk the other day: told them being a soldier was less dangerous than being a farmer or working for the NHS. My daughter told the school that maybe it was safer because we aren’t deploying our troops anywhere.

Maybee
The armed forces have always gone into schools to give career talks. It’s nothing new or threatening.
I would think it was quite dangerous in the military during the Iraqi war or Afghanistani war, and rather less so now.
But obviously we do not know what will happen in the future, particularly the near future.
I understand your concern about your grandson though.

We certainly dont want to get into a serious conflict with the military we have at present, moreover the US doesn't have the resources to fight a conventional war at present.
The weapons the west has at its disposal are being used up at an alarming rate in Ukraine and Israel, I’m sure Iran would love to provoke a third front in the Gulf. The whole region is powder keg Saudi, Jordan and Egypt are all propped up by the US it’s hard to see a way out that does not involve a defeat or backdown by one side or the other.

We are doomed then.

UN agencies like UNRWA may not be perfect, they may even harbour some bad apples but they are absolutely our best hope to alleviate suffering and bring about peace.

What rubbish! We haven’t got a big enough army to defend ourselves let alone other countries.

Defense secretary in parliament just now implied that it's up to us to safeguard other countries, at the same time forgetting that the warship we were going to send to the area wasn't functioning properly.

I’m just hoping that it happens before the violence becomes more widespread - it isn’t looking good at the moment.

After watching the BBC programme about the nuclear clock/threat I’m desperately hope that the world begins to choose peace - it is looking frightful.

foxie yes I certainly agree about the USA but their authority would be that much greater if they had the world on their side.

If the US moves away from giving Israel, what has at times seemed like, unquestioning support, it will bring the UN closer to agreement. The US only needs to abstain and it would be possible for the UN to vote for an immediate ceasefire. Israel, of course, would not comply, but it would give Netanyahu a clear message that American support has strings that could be cut, it would also give a very strong message to Israeli's that they could end up on their own surrounded by hostile countries unless they are prepared to negotiate and it's very clear that Netanyahu and his right wingers will block any attempt at negotiating peace, so they will have to go.

I was also interested to read that Trump dislikes Netanyahu immensely.

It takes some doing to attract so much dislike from so many quarters.

foxie yes I certainly agree about the USA but their authority would be that much greater if they had the world on their side.

I think you are absolutely right foxie48 one of the interesting things is to look at US news coverage. It is being much more sympathetic towards Gaza. CNN had a very moving piece from the first press people into Gaza and an interview with a nurse who had just got out. Both were very sympathetic.
I do worry that the UK who hang on US coat tails haven't actually started to move in the same way.

Interesting analysis foxie.
You could well be right.

IMO when it comes to Israel, the "world" is the US because without the US, Israel would just be a very small country with little in the way of resources.The US has given Israel $318 billion since the end of World War II,” which has enabled it to develop a more sophisticated economy than it's neighbours despite having few natural resources and a huge army with the best weapons supplied and paid for by the US.
globalaffairs.org/bluemarble/how-much-financial-assistance-has-us-given-israel

In the past, there has been strong support for Israel from Jews living in the US but that support was being questioned even before the incursion into Gaza, the majority of American Jews do not support Netanyahu and because they are more likely to vote Democrat than Republican, with an election in sight, Biden needs to keep his Jewish voters as well as his Muslim/Arab voters on side. I think we are going to see a change in the support given by the US that will hopefully lead to Netanyahu's downfall and the election of a more rational Israeli government.

Wwm2. I was hoping you could expand on your original comment….
It did spark a train of thought.

ronib

*WWM2*I don’t believe the world can bring about a solution. The world might in fact delay one.
Also the world doesn’t seem to be on the same page in this crisis.
And how would a left wing leader have reacted differently?

Can you expand what you mean please?

One good thing for people of Jewish faith, is that the world is finally understanding the difference between faith and state.

The state of any nation including Israel, is rightly criticised when it behaves with abomination, but the faiths contained within that nation should be free to practice their faiths without criticism.

Anti-semitism and anti- Islam is growing around the world and this should always be separated from the state. To reduce criticism of the state to criticism of the faith does a disservice to all people of faith.

Absolutely. My feelings exactly.

WWM2I don’t believe the world can bring about a solution. The world might in fact delay one.
Also the world doesn’t seem to be on the same page in this crisis.
And how would a left wing leader have reacted differently?

The world needs to impose a two state solution on Netanyahu - it is the only way to achieve peace.

Netanyahu, like all right wing leaders thinks nothing of his country, only of himself.

Israel deserves to live in peace.

Palestinians deserve to live in peace.

If we think the current hostilities are bad imagine what happens if Iran gets directly involved, currently that’s not very far away. They could close the Gulf easily crippling oil supplies we need a solution to Gaza quickly now.

There’s a lot of war mongering going on in this country, too. My grandsons school had someone from the army giving a careers guidance talk the other day: told them being a soldier was less dangerous than being a farmer or working for the NHS. My daughter told the school that maybe it was safer because we aren’t deploying our troops anywhere.

It is clearly not in Netanyau’s interest to cease the war. If the war does indeed cease, it is certain that there will be an election and Netanyahu will be chucked out.

The reason that he is desperate to hold onto the premiership is because he is shielded from the bribery and corruption charges brought by the Israeli police, because he recently forced through a law that prevents the courts from enforcing him to recuse himself from government in order that he attends trial.

If found guilty -and his actions seem to suggest that he thinks he will be- he will serve at least 10 years in prison.

Glorianny Thanks for posting this, I doubt many will bother to watch it but I did and it summed up a lot of what I believe. Opinion in the US is changing very rapidly, just as it is all over the world. Currently, thousands of Palestinians are being killed by the IDF, Gaza is being turned into a wasteland and we are no nearer to peace than we were on 8/10 /23, in fact we are further away. The only person who is benefiting from this carnage is Netanyahu. The Pro -Palestine march in London yesterday was attended by Jewish groups. Netanyahu and his vile right wing government do not speak for all Jews but I worry that the uninformed bigots in this world will use what is happening in Gaza and The West Bank to justify their anti-semitic ravings and stoke up hate towards Jews, who have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever with what Netanyahu is doing to the Palestinians.

This is worth watching, Obama on the situation and his and Trump's views about Netanyahu. Something is really starting to change in the US www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBLjOXkKAnE

Jews

I am indeed condemning Hamas.