Keir Starmer and Project Fear

I'm waiting to see what starmer can achieve in 10 years time once he's managed a way through the slime left behind by the years of Tory misrule. Hopefully he has a longer term vision for the country than the dithering ineptitude we've had to put up with. I doubt things will improve immediately but I see it as a journey towards a better governed country that will take time. I hope our children and grandchildren will live in a better world than they do right now, have better prospects and more hope in the future. At the moment it's just the rich getting richer and public services and the environment we live in being milked for their benefit. Even if a Starmer led government doesn't benefit me I hope it ends the gravy train for the rich and benefits those who are struggling. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and judge by what he does, not says, or music he plays.

I stopped reading newspapers several years ago. We need an independent media not governed by foreigners who try to distort our views . I prefer to elect my 'dictator. "

I fear though that the NHS will still be subjected to more privatisation. Too many MPs have vested interests

He will win the next election because he is not the Conservatives

Yes he will, and that is precisely the reason. It’s actually nothing to do with him at all, it’s simply because he is not the Conservatives.

Casdon, I used to do YouGov surveys until they became impossible to give a correct answer. The surveys were so biased that whatever your opinion, it was twisted to suit whatever they wanted to show the world. Quite nasty really, not to be trusted.

Blair Not liked by the far left, won 3 consecutive general elections

Corbyn. Adored by far left, lost 2 general elections even gave the worse election result since 1935

ronib

We don’t need charisma. We had our fingers well and truly burnt with Boris Johnson. Charisma is out and competence is back in fashion.

add the charismatic tony blair, the only time I ever voted labour, he opened the floodgates

Quite vigorously

I think the left is making its presence felt quite vigorously on Gnet - as it should I hasten to add.
Idle comment whilst waiting for my nail polish to dry …..

The extreme Right is a force to be reckoned with when you see internatonally .

Usually funded by many of those multimillion or billionaires that most people on Gnet recently defended so vigorously

"The right wing press" as referred to here even in little Gransnet, is only one of the infiltrations into all media of extreme Rightist views.
The extreme Right is a force to be reckoned with when you see internatonally .

I actually think if you polled Labour voters you would find Starmer less popular.
The problem with this right wing newspaper's criticism is that it's based on fact and on many of the things the left of the party have been saying for a long time.
His duplicity over Brexit, Corbyn, and uniting the party is on record. His failure to fully support the NHS is obvious.
Unfortunately we seem to be saddled with him. I do wish there was a Labour MP who could replace him. I fear there isn't.

Freya5

Casdon

And yet, he’s the second most popular politician in the UK according to YouGov.
yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/politicians-political-figures/all

Think you'll find it Labour voters they ask these questions of. Certainly as a non Labour voter I've never been asked.
He comes across as sleazy, not committed to the people of this country at all.
He's all for minorities, race, religion, gender.
Not for the majority. Careful what you wish for.

No, Freya5*, YouGov polls are not specific to party allegiance,, this poll was selected from an ‘all voter’ demographic. I don’t think there are any issues about the methodology they use, it’s a worldwide and reputable polling enterprise.
I appreciate that everybody has a different perspective and we are all entitled to our opinions, but I think it’s useful to point out what unbiased sources say too - it’s a reality check.

Casdon

And yet, he’s the second most popular politician in the UK according to YouGov.
yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/politicians-political-figures/all

Think you'll find it Labour voters they ask these questions of. Certainly as a non Labour voter I've never been asked.
He comes across as sleazy, not committed to the people of this country at all.
He's all for minorities, race, religion, gender.
Not for the majority. Careful what you wish for.

We don’t need charisma. We had our fingers well and truly burnt with Boris Johnson. Charisma is out and competence is back in fashion.

Charisma ?

Truss. Johnson. Cameron. Thatcher. Sunak

karmalady

KS is certainly not a leader, it is very obvious, watching his body language and his lack of action or planning and he has the charisma of a dead fish

And yet he’s successfully managed the threat from the left of the party, he’s evaded all attempts by the Tories to discredit him, he’s the second most popular politician in the UK according to YouGov, and he’s led Labour to a 20 point election poll lead. It’s amazing for a man who has no leadership ability, when you think about it.

KS is certainly not a leader, it is very obvious, watching his body language and his lack of action or planning and he has the charisma of a dead fish

Dinahmo, thanks for posting this article. I’ve been a Guardian /independent/occasional Times reader for many years. In recent years, I’ve skimmed the Daily Mail on line, it’s been an eye opener. The way it prints distorted incorrect information as ‘the truth’ continues to make me wonder if the majority of its readers are incapable of seeing the obvious.

The story about Starmer the land owner, their repeated attempt to blame Starmer for the lack of prosecution of Saville etc etc. The only positive is it shows they fear Labour with Starmer as leader

flappergirl I question the impact of so many written articles from all political perspectives. Is anyone reading them or have they just been churned out and ignored? Is it more interesting to go to a nail bar these days? How politically aware is the Uk electorate?

ronib

I sometimes wonder where the media will be in ten years or so. General disillusionment seems not confined to politicians. Fewer people buy newspapers and rely on the internet for news. The Daily Mail has recently started charging £4.95 per month for access to its articles. I wonder how that is working out?
So point is - how many people are actually reading the right wing press?

Still too many I'm afraid but at a guess I'd say they are mostly over the age of 50 and upwards.

I sometimes wonder where the media will be in ten years or so. General disillusionment seems not confined to politicians. Fewer people buy newspapers and rely on the internet for news. The Daily Mail has recently started charging £4.95 per month for access to its articles. I wonder how that is working out?
So point is - how many people are actually reading the right wing press?

eazybee

And of course the left never attempted to smear any right wing leaders.

Never needed to try, really. They lay themselves right open to it.

And of course the left never attempted to smear any right wing leaders.

Dinahmo

The article is about the increasing attempts to smear Starmer by the right wing press. It's not about wwhether one is going to vote Labour or Lib Dem in the next election.

Rude? I did answer the question, but please keep me updated in when you have full editorial rights on this forum and I will ensure that you proof read all my replies. Thank you