Keir Starmer and Project Fear

according to left wingers....not communists or extreme left ,thats how he's seen .He hasn't BEEN an effective opposition,just a back up to the Tories .He's not popular in Scotland at all .

The far left thought Corbyn was such a winner, he gave Labour the worse defeat since 1935

But we are not talking about the "Far left" or about Corbyn.
We are talking about Keir Starmer, His supporters are asking the so called "far left" to vote for him because "we need to defeat the Tories".
It is hardly a ringing endorsement.
He will win the next election because he is not the Conservatives not because he is inspiring or popular.
He intends to continue very similar policies to the Conservatives.

And yet, he’s the second most popular politician in the UK according to YouGov.
yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/politicians-political-figures/all

I love the "plays the flute'. That's a real killer line, isn't it 😆

Who are the far left going to vote for, Ilovecheese?. The Green Party? Tactically ? Could they hold their noses tightly enough to vote for the LibDems, just to get the tories out? Are there enough of them to make a difference in any constituency?
It's an interesting question.

paddyann54

according to left wingers....not communists or extreme left ,thats how he's seen .He hasn't BEEN an effective opposition,just a back up to the Tories .He's not popular in Scotland at all .

No politician is popular in Scotland at the moment are they paddyann54? I’m not saying that to wind you up, I just can’t seem to find much enthusiasm online for any of the party leaders.
I do think there’s a general malaise about politicians which is colouring our views wherever we are. We need a period of stability and to rebuild public trust.

I think that left leaning people will vote tactically to get the Tories out, that might mean voting LibDem. But in areas where Labour are bound to win they will vote for the Greens or for an independent socialist.

Forget tactical voting in most constituencies, LD are not going to gain enough seats to make a difference, only a landslide to Labour is going to give Starmer a decent majority

Well, I am not certain what I will get by voting Labour, but I do know what I will get with another Tory government and it terrifies me. He may not set the world of politics on fire, but having seen what "personalities" like Johnson and Truss have done, I will settle for boring.

The article is about the increasing attempts to smear Starmer by the right wing press. It's not about wwhether one is going to vote Labour or Lib Dem in the next election.

Yes, I read the article. If you look at any right wing press they are pushing very much for a right wing agenda, they don’t like Sunak either because they see him as ‘too liberal’, they tried to bring Ed Davey down regarding the post office, and their treatment of the leaders of the devolved nations, whoever they are, is appalling. I think people are disillusioned with politicians generally, and I don’t think most pay much notice now to the press, which is why the smear campaigns seem to be having little effect.

For anybody who hasn’t seen it, this Andrew Marr for the New Statesman analysis of how Rishi Sunak is losing right wing press support is also very interesting.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_198uYWJcxo

Any socialists who vote for the Greens are going to be sadly disappointed. We've got a Green/Labour split in Bristol mostly thanks to young people (whose concern about the planet is understandable and admirable) but believe me, the Greens are an inept (and rather strange) bunch of white middle class types.

Their puritanical zeal is akin to Oliver Cromwell whilst they all live in the most exclusive part of the city. They care no more about the common man than the Tories do.

As for the Lib Dems, remember how quickly they jumped into bed with the Tories anyone?

Yes, Nick Clegg

Dinahmo

The article is about the increasing attempts to smear Starmer by the right wing press. It's not about wwhether one is going to vote Labour or Lib Dem in the next election.

Rude? I did answer the question, but please keep me updated in when you have full editorial rights on this forum and I will ensure that you proof read all my replies. Thank you

And of course the left never attempted to smear any right wing leaders.

eazybee

And of course the left never attempted to smear any right wing leaders.

Never needed to try, really. They lay themselves right open to it.

I sometimes wonder where the media will be in ten years or so. General disillusionment seems not confined to politicians. Fewer people buy newspapers and rely on the internet for news. The Daily Mail has recently started charging £4.95 per month for access to its articles. I wonder how that is working out?
So point is - how many people are actually reading the right wing press?

ronib

I sometimes wonder where the media will be in ten years or so. General disillusionment seems not confined to politicians. Fewer people buy newspapers and rely on the internet for news. The Daily Mail has recently started charging £4.95 per month for access to its articles. I wonder how that is working out?
So point is - how many people are actually reading the right wing press?

Still too many I'm afraid but at a guess I'd say they are mostly over the age of 50 and upwards.

flappergirl I question the impact of so many written articles from all political perspectives. Is anyone reading them or have they just been churned out and ignored? Is it more interesting to go to a nail bar these days? How politically aware is the Uk electorate?

Dinahmo, thanks for posting this article. I’ve been a Guardian /independent/occasional Times reader for many years. In recent years, I’ve skimmed the Daily Mail on line, it’s been an eye opener. The way it prints distorted incorrect information as ‘the truth’ continues to make me wonder if the majority of its readers are incapable of seeing the obvious.

The story about Starmer the land owner, their repeated attempt to blame Starmer for the lack of prosecution of Saville etc etc. The only positive is it shows they fear Labour with Starmer as leader

KS is certainly not a leader, it is very obvious, watching his body language and his lack of action or planning and he has the charisma of a dead fish

karmalady

KS is certainly not a leader, it is very obvious, watching his body language and his lack of action or planning and he has the charisma of a dead fish

And yet he’s successfully managed the threat from the left of the party, he’s evaded all attempts by the Tories to discredit him, he’s the second most popular politician in the UK according to YouGov, and he’s led Labour to a 20 point election poll lead. It’s amazing for a man who has no leadership ability, when you think about it.

Charisma ?

Truss. Johnson. Cameron. Thatcher. Sunak