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Clapham acid attacker - asylum seeker convicted of sex offence but still granted asylum?

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Kandinsky Fri 02-Feb-24 08:43:28

What the hell is happening to this country?
Send these scum to Rwanda ASAP.

Totally sick of these violent criminals being allowed to stay here.

icanhandthemback Sun 04-Feb-24 11:32:19

It is the system that is wrong. However, the media have said he was successful in his 3rd application because of his conversion to Christianity as it suits their rhetoric but for all we know there might have been other reasons not declared. There obviously needs to be an investigation once the man is found, charged and convicted.
We do need a more robust Asylum process so that people aren't able to make endless applications. Maybe we should have special Courts who can make a "final" decision rather than clogging up the system.
No doubt this country has always had acid type attacks but it does seem that certain crimes seem far more vicious from certain parts of the world. It is just an impression I get but that might just be how it is reported.
I think at this time we should be concentrating on the finding of this man and healing of the people involved.

eazybee Sun 04-Feb-24 11:06:20

I believe that as a convert to Christianity he would be in great danger ( execution?) if he returned to Afghanistan. Therefore, if he is discovered, arrested and convicted, following his sentence he will be unable to be returned to his home country, because the risk to his safety outweighs that to anyone here. Clever.

Of course, he could be in a strict Islamic country now. and this is only speculation, being congratulated at having punished a woman for transgressions against his code of behaviour.

caknib Sun 04-Feb-24 10:40:24

wooden spoon,when you say 'his own kind' what do you mean?
Afghans, Muslims,illegals (hateful term)

GrannyGravy13 Sun 04-Feb-24 10:14:18

There are definitely people out there that know how to play the U.K. asylum system.

I feel sorry for genuine asylum seekers as they could end up being judged harshly due to the actions of others.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 04-Feb-24 10:03:27

In that case, according to the article I posted refusal of asylum would be mandatory. I wonder if ‘becoming a Christian’ trumps that? Perhaps it does on the basis that a (real) Christian would be at risk in Afghanistan. So down to the lawyers. I have no professional respect for these disgusting people.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 04-Feb-24 09:34:26

Germanshepherdsmum it has been reported that he was put on the sexual offenders register in 2018 for 10 years.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 04-Feb-24 09:07:40

I had thought that he made a third application for asylum after the first two were turned down but according to the article below it was an appeal, so would have been decided by a judge. As Iam says, had he received a custodial sentence of at least twelve months for the sexual offences he would not have been granted asylum. Likewise if he had been placed on the sex offenders register. Becoming a Christian was an obvious ploy cooked up by his lawyers. Christians don’t act as he did.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/02/clapham-chemical-attack-how-sex-offender-suspect-abdul-ezedi-granted-asylum#:~:text=He%20was%20convicted%20of%20sexual,of%20less%20than%2012%20months.

maddyone Sun 04-Feb-24 08:17:37

Good post Iam,and I agree with you.
I’m not a hang em and flog em person either. I abhor the death sentence. However this particular man should surely have received a custodial sentence for not one, but two, sexual offences. And had he been deported after his applications were turned down, he wouldn’t have been able to horrendously injure this young woman and her children.

Iam64 Sun 04-Feb-24 08:06:39

Dickens, your summary is accurate. He was twice refused asylum and in 2018 convicted of a sexual assault and indecent exposer, both of which he pleaded guilty to. He was given a suspended sentence. His application for asylum was granted in 2020. If he’d been sentenced to two years for the sexual offences he would not have been granted asylum. It’s the length of the sentence, nit the seriousness of the crime.

I’m not hang n flog as my posts show but - sex offenders remain a danger. We know nothing about the type of offence but his guilty plea suggests to me his lawyer knew a guilty finding inevitable. I’d be surprised if he wasn’t advised to go guilty and avoid a trial that would have led to a more (sensible) serious sentence.

maddyone Sun 04-Feb-24 07:48:36

Thank you Sharon.
I hope that others don’t take that as a racist post, because it’s not meant to be, it’s simply meant to point out that we have ever increasing immigration and we lack the facilities needed to cater for all of us, the immigrants and those of us who are already here. I absolutely applaud all those wonderful people who we meet in our everyday lives, doctors, nurses, hospitality workers, and all the others who contribute to our national life, wherever they come from. But we should not be blinded to the truth, the facilities are inadequate and yet we continue to add to our number. Asylum seekers cost us an enormous amount of money because our public services are not capable of processing their claims quickly, to then allow them to contribute to society, or be deported. Deportation is totally and utterly inadequate and allows people who have been rejected for whatever reason, to stay on literally for years. And during that time, some of them go on to commit terrible crimes such as this man has done, although in his case, he had been given leave to remain. Why he was given leave to remain, God only knows, because none of us know.

It doesn’t matter who you vote for, it won’t make a shred of difference.
Every political party believes that more people is a good thing.

I’m going to spoil my ballot paper. It’s the only way I can protest.

sharon103 Sun 04-Feb-24 02:08:26

maddyone

^Those who think the Tories are best placed to sort this out should take a reality check.^

Do you really think that Labour will sort it out? If you do, you’re in for a very big disappointment. Although immigration has been increasing over many years, it was the Blair government who opened the floodgates. And we’ve never looked back. Immigration, both legal and illegal, has simply increased and increased, year on year, whoever is in government, and since the last Labour government deliberately opened up access into Britain, the next Labour government is unlikely to act any differently. Meanwhile we are unable to access health care as needed, there are insufficient school places, young adults can’t afford to buy a house, or even rent one in many cases, the roads are overcrowded, we apparently have insufficient water in the summer, and although some people would like to deny it, a significant number of immigrants have committed crimes, many of which are serious. We don’t deport anyone, regardless of their crimes. It takes years to hear asylum cases, and we spend millions of pounds a day on accommodating people in hotels. You actually couldn’t make it up!
Vote Labour or indeed LD if you wish, or vote Conservative if you wish, it won’t make a jot of difference.

100% agree with you maddyone

Dickens Sat 03-Feb-24 23:03:47

Is it true that he was granted asylum after he committed a sexual offence?

Sky News understands this is the case.

So his claim was twice refused, he commits a sexual offence... and is then granted asylum. On what basis?

Surely, even 'converting' to Christianity would not alter the grounds on which his claim was initially refused?

LovesBach Sat 03-Feb-24 22:28:05

Several years ago a criminal who was being sent back to Somalia was taken off the plane after protests from other passengers that he shouldn't be deported. He has now left the country, after costing the taxpayer over £1,000,000. I hope those applauding as he was taken off the plane now know what he had done - lured a young girl into a flat and attacked her, with three other men. I cannot understand why this is tolerated by the justice system - the protesting passengers should have been taken off, and the deportation completed as the law had decreed.

nanna8 Sat 03-Feb-24 22:18:18

Of course it’s not racist. You would say the same,rightly, if he was a Caucasian from Belgium, Holland or wherever. He committed a vile crime, he needs to go. Why should the British pay for his imprisonment,come to that?

GrannyGravy13 Sat 03-Feb-24 21:31:36

maddyone 👍🏻

maddyone Sat 03-Feb-24 21:23:51

Our courts don’t sentence harshly enough despite the overwhelming evidence of harm caused.

No they don’t. When this man is eventually caught, he will not be removed from the country, he will go through the criminal justice system, and end up costing us all a great deal of money whilst he is in prison. After a few years he will be released back into the community to repeat his sexual offences and/or any other violent offences. The defence could well be ‘mentally unwell’ in which case he could end up in a secure hospital for an indefinite period, which usually means a couple of years, because someone will decide he is safe to be back in the community.
I’m not one of the hang em and flog em brigade, but with a case such as this, I really do think the population of the country has been taken for fools. When caught, in my opinion, he should be deported immediately. Of course, with our lax borders, he could easily slip back in again, because we really do not know who is coming into this country on rubber dinghies or in the back of lorries. I don’t consider myself racist, but if it is racist to say that, then I must be tarred with that brush.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 03-Feb-24 20:51:13

I jut hope he is found and brought to justice.

He is too much of a coward to take his own life. Anyone hiding, aiding and abetting needs to give their head a wobble.

woodenspoon Sat 03-Feb-24 20:47:15

He will be hiding in plain sight helped by his own kind. He apparently loaded an international SIM card on a pay as you go. He’s being helped.

sodapop Sat 03-Feb-24 20:44:05

Unless of course he has put himself out of his own suffering - even better.

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 03-Feb-24 20:42:40

I couldn’t agree more. The greater his suffering the better.

Iam64 Sat 03-Feb-24 18:54:53

It seems probable he’s being helped and hidden. It’s not often I feel angry enough to say - I hope his injury becomes incredibly painful and infected. Unless his supporters have a doctor in their midst, he will eventually have to seek help. Or a more permanent treatment

Iam64 Sat 03-Feb-24 18:52:21

Chestnut

JaneJudge It is clear it was a domestic abuse. The woman was described as vulnerable. I think race and religion have less to do with this
As far as we know race and religion were not relevant (we'll have to see) but the fact that he was an illegal immigrant who should not have been here at all, well that is relevant. If this had happened in some far away country it would be no less tragic, but if you bring the world into your country then you bring the problems of the world with them.

He was not an illegal immigrant. He had asylum status. We may all believe he should not have been granted that. I’m one who believes strongly he should have been deported on conviction of 2 sexual offences - which he admitted. No doubt he was advised the evidence would have led to conviction and he would likely have faced a prison rather than suspended sentence if he’d insisted on a trial. These offences merited less than the 2 year prison sentence that would have ensured his appeal was rejected.
A judge theme running through this awful crime, is offences against women and children. Our Courts don’t sentence harshly enough despite the overwhelming evidence of harm caused.

but if you bring the world into your country then you bring the problems of the world with them. Like JaneJudge, I live in a multi cultural town, increasingly multi cultural as we are a City of Sanctuary with a growing population of Africans granted asylum for legal reasons and settling here. So far, so good as with our large Muslim community who are largely of Pakistani origin, their ancestors arriving in the 1950’s at the invitation of our government to use their established skills working in the cotton mills.

utterbliss Sat 03-Feb-24 18:18:08

Well said GSM, I so agree.

caknib Sat 03-Feb-24 18:08:49

I think we may invited the world into our country quite some time ago. As has been stated thousands of people ( for example) of Pakistani heritage were invited here to work in mills.

More recently thousands of Ukrainian and HK Chinese people were invited here.But I suppose somehow they don't use up space or resources.

tickingbird Sat 03-Feb-24 16:44:16

JaneJudge

it looks like he has injured himself as well.

Well he won’t be receiving help at any hospital that’s for sure, but it’s highly likely someone is helping him as he’s got what looks like a badly damaged eye so he’s in hiding somewhere.