Clapham acid attacker - asylum seeker convicted of sex offence but still granted asylum?

Me too, GrannyGravy13 which is why I wondered why it should be worse down South. When my son travels much further up north, he is shocked by the casual racism he sees in the area he visits and hears but that doesn't mean that I think overall the North is worse than the South!

Aveline

caknib is not wrong. Everything is now too black and white. Opinions are not shaded. It's tragic really. I suspect things are much worse down south.

Well I am down south and do not agree with caknib or Aveline

That's possible caknib however you are likely to be part of that binary.

I doubt you will find research to back up your assertion. Any research conducted after what happened in Clapham will be deeply flawed through bias. From where do you get your ‘perception?

Who on earth do you think you are to call my post silly?
Of course I can't back it up right now with research, but my perception is that there has been a shift towards binary views and little middle ground .

If it’s correct that asylum was granted on appeal you’re talking about tribunal members headed by a judge, AGA. The problem seems to be that saying you have become a Christian takes precedence over a criminal record and being on the sex offenders’ register because the law prevents them being deported to a Muslim country. I sincerely hope that this case causes a rapid change in the law. There has to be a very robust test of whether someone really has converted to the Christian religion, rather than finding a friendly priest to baptise them. The Church has said it’s not its job to vet asylum seekers, but surely an adult converting to Christianity from another religion would be required to undertake a course of instruction and the priest should be convinced that they wish to become a member of the Church? Perhaps the lawyers I despise so much have links to ‘friendly’ priests who want to help asylum seekers to stay in the UK regardless of their past - ‘much joy over one sinner who repents (haha) and all that’. I find it appalling that my Church seems to be deeply embroiled in this practice and is responsible for this man remaining here to commit this atrocity.

This man didn’t just throw chemicals over the poor family; he slammed the 3yr old into the pavement and was lifting her up to do it again when he was rugby tackled by a brave onlooker who has suffered damage to their eyeballs.

Monster who deserves to die, preferably in pain.

Urmstongran

Well the picture just keeps on getting clearer and worse. Some serious questions need to be asked and some consequences need to be seen to apply. Some people have made decisions that have put everyone at risk and it needs addressing.

Fat chance though.

I agree and hope those guilty of allowing this man asylum after he had already committed offences in this country are rooted out.

Well the picture just keeps on getting clearer and worse. Some serious questions need to be asked and some consequences need to be seen to apply. Some people have made decisions that have put everyone at risk and it needs addressing.

Fat chance though.

Aveline

caknib is not wrong. Everything is now too black and white. Opinions are not shaded. It's tragic really. I suspect things are much worse down south.

Why down south?

It was silly because most of us are not prejudiced against a certain group, race, faith, of people because of the actions of a few.

caknib is not wrong. Everything is now too black and white. Opinions are not shaded. It's tragic really. I suspect things are much worse down south.

Silly post.

Everything has become reduced to a binary choice. Left or Right. Do gooder/ woke/ snowflake or grow a backbone and join the Reform Party.
Vulnerable, needy refugee or evil Muslim would be criminal.

A clash of cultures.

New Year's Eve in Cologne, Germany, seven years ago.

A series of sexual assaults against women perpetrated by immigrants changed Germany's welcoming culture. And gave support to the far-right.

The report should be watched. It takes a pretty unbiased look at where, and why, it all went wrong.

IMO, it 'all went wrong' because, as we have seen here in the UK, honest, open and rational debate on immigration and integration, is shunned by those who regard any such conversations as xenophobic and racist. Which results in the continued rise of the far right. Far Right, and Far Left - I use the terminology frequently but loosely because those on the Left or Right are not necessarily extreme, and everyone knows I'm sure that there are proponents of each group, and most of us don't want to see the dominance of either.

The video report is balanced. It does not vilify, nor exonerate, anyone.

youtu.be/qm5SYxRXHsI

Just catching up on this thread and re your post yesterday morning maddyone, the C of E does baptise adults. On the 14th of August 2022 the Archbishop of York Steven Cottrell baptised 5 adults in the sea at Bridlington.

You cannot be confirmed unless you have been baptised.

And that needs to change. Perhaps after this, it will.

Yes, I hope someone tips the police off to get the reward.

Having been baptised is not proof of being a Christian.

I think that’s all that’s needed to prove to any deportation hearing that there’s a danger to life if he is deported back to whence he came.^

There is a reward of £20,000 on this evil excuse for a man’s head.

Let’s hope that it’s enough for someone to ring the police with information on his whereabouts.

He must be being assisted by friends. It seems obvious to me from his behaviour, and neighbours having called him ‘a good Muslim’ that there was no conversion to Christianity at all - and I doubt many of these asylum seekers’ conversions are genuine. So there should be no problem with returning him to Afghanistan. It really is about time that these fake conversions were dealt with. Priti Patel was taking the church to task over them several years ago. No asylum seeker should be granted asylum solely on the grounds that they have converted to Christianity since arriving here. Having been baptised is not proof of being a Christian.

icanhandthemback

No doubt this country has always had acid type attacks but it does seem that certain crimes seem far more vicious from certain parts of the world. It is just an impression I get but that might just be how it is reported.

"Women in countries around the world live with the threat of acid attacks. Globally, there are approximately 1,500 acid attacks a year1 , but it is a crime that often goes unreported for fear of reprisal."

"The greatest prevalence is in south Asian countries including India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, where acid remains inexpensive and freely available."

"Most survivors of acid attacks are women and girls. The most common reasons for attacks on women and girls are the refusal of marriage, the denial of sex, and the sexual rejection of men and boys. It is an expression of control over women's and girls' bodies."

... from - ActionAid (Changing the world with women and girls)

www.actionaid.org.uk/our-work/vawg/acid-attacks#:~:text=Women%20in%20countries%20around%20the%20world%20live%20with,

It makes grim reading.

It's amazing how he is eluding capture, especially with those injuries.

A reward of up to £20,000 is now being offered for information leading to his arrest.

Iam64

Dickens, your summary is accurate. He was twice refused asylum and in 2018 convicted of a sexual assault and indecent exposer, both of which he pleaded guilty to. He was given a suspended sentence. His application for asylum was granted in 2020. If he’d been sentenced to two years for the sexual offences he would not have been granted asylum. It’s the length of the sentence, nit the seriousness of the crime.

I’m not hang n flog as my posts show but - sex offenders remain a danger. We know nothing about the type of offence but his guilty plea suggests to me his lawyer knew a guilty finding inevitable. I’d be surprised if he wasn’t advised to go guilty and avoid a trial that would have led to a more (sensible) serious sentence.

Thanks for the clarification Iam64 - with the media, I'm never quite sure whether I'm reading the facts.

His application for asylum was granted in 2020. If he’d been sentenced to two years for the sexual offences he would not have been granted asylum. It’s the length of the sentence, nit the seriousness of the crime.

There's a couple of troubling issues here, for me (and I suspect others, too).

Presumably, the length of a sentence is supposed to reflect its severity? And this individual was given a suspended sentence - again presumably - because he pleaded guilty to the offences.

So the lawyer is earning his bread by doing his job - irrespective of what he personally thinks or feels about his client - which is how it works.

And the Law allows for a sentence to be suspended, assuming the defendant and society will be better served by it.

This principle doesn't always bode well for women does it (regardless of the status of the defendant)? Sexual offences might be a 'one-off', or they might well be part of a more serious personality disorder (for want of a better word). Of course, I can't speculate on this particular case because it's ongoing.

However, this individual was refused his claim for asylum twice - there must have been a valid reason... what invalidated it so that it was overturned? Rhetorical questions.

There's a huge backlash against asylum seekers and immigrants in our society, and we are very divided on the matter. I don't want to be part of either camp. I don't believe asylum seekers are all rapists or medieval terrorists, nor do I think they are all genuinely seeking asylum from war or persecution. I want a government that deals with the matter openly and honestly - and efficiently, because refugees are a problem for the whole of Europe and one that is not going to just 'go away'.

Is the EU's Migration Deal pact working?

I really hope this man is caught very soon. He's desperate and dangerous. I keep thinking about his poor victim who now has life-changing injuries. In a matter of seconds, her life has changed forever. And God only knows how the trauma will affect her two children. It seems their injuries are not quite as bad as thought at first, thank goodness.

Clever
Manipulative and helped by lawyers and others who know how to work the system.