Brianna Ghey

You have made a judgement surely ?

I'm just shocked by how two young people turned into cold blooded killers, the female assailant in particular seemed obsessed by dark violent fantasies. The murder of poor, innocent Brianna was horribly savage. It does make me wonder, were these two people influenced by whatever they'd been watching on line, or just inherently wicked. I'm sure their parents have a lot to come to terms with. Sympathy ultimately lies with Brianna having had her brief life cut short and her parents, losing her forever.

I don't feel any sympathy that these two have been named and shamed. I suppose there is a wider issue as to how that affects their families. I don't think I know enough to make a judgement on that.

How do you work that out Annie?

Not often after murder and sentencing can parents be judged ,

As for ‘Justice being seen to be done’, wasn’t done in the Nottingham murders

Anniebach

Sorry but cannot accept that explanation, the media can hound the families of the teenagers and for what purpose?

You could make that argument about anyone convicted of any crime, whether that might be a neighbour convicted of a minor breach of the peace to someone convicted of the most heinous of murders.

Thanks to those who explained their reasoning. I'm still unsure how knowing the names of people I don't know will make a difference to me, or why I 'deserve' to know the names. As the murderers themselves will be in jail for a very long time, all I can think naming them will do is increase the burden on their parents and siblings, who (AFAIK) have done nothing to deserve it.

Justice being seen to be done makes sense, but again, we know that the murderers have been found, tried and convicted, which is the important thing.

As I say, I'm not making a case for withholding their names - I'm not bothered either way, really. I just don't understand the clamour to hear them.

Sorry but cannot accept that explanation, the media can hound the families of the teenagers and for what purpose?

Perfectly put, GSM!

Naming them isn’t supposed to help you understand what they did Annie. In order to understand - as far as any normal person can understand - you need to consider what was said during the trial and in the sentencing. It is in the interests of the public to be told who has committed a terrible crime, keeping the names secret leads to suspicion, conspiracy theories and a lack of confidence in the legal system.

It has helped you understand why they committed the murder, it was in your interests how ?

Anniebach

Naming them doesn’t help me understand why they committed murder . It will please the press who can print much about the families of the teenagers

So should no-one who is convicted of murder be named? Why should these two be any different?

GSM the judge said naming them is in the public interest , how does it help me understand why the crime was committed?

Have you not been following the trial Annie? There was much detail about how they had planned the murder. Naming them isn’t intended to help you or anyone else understand their evil mindsets, but concealing their identities would attract much criticism. As a society we deserve to know who they are.

Naming them doesn’t help me understand why they committed murder . It will please the press who can print much about the families of the teenagers

I feel for Brianna's family but have mixed feelings regarding the public naming of the murderous teenagers. One of the arguments I heard for naming the perpetrators' was to help society and societal systems understand what has gone so wrong with these teens that they could do something so heinous- so that it is less likely to be repeated. Lessons learned etc. I'm not convinced.

Anniebach

Naming them is in the public interest ! How ?

Why not? As I've already said, justice must not only be done, but be seen to be done. I can think of no compelling argument why they should not be named.

Naming them is in the public interest ! How ?

It is good that they have been named and shamed.

*announcing
(not annoying)

The judge has been on the radio just now annoying the terms and reasoning behind it. Minimums of
22 and 20 years less time served.

Are the parents guilty of a crime ?

Doodledog

Can someone who thinks that they should be named explain why they think that, please? Not just that they deserve it, but specifically what it is that they think will be gained? I still don't really know what I think.

As I said, justice must not only be done, but be seen to be done - and I believe that means they should be named.

I believe it will serve to increase the punishment they suffer. They can’t hide. I also believe that justice should be seen to be done, and an order preserving their anonymity would have attracted considerable criticism of the judiciary.

It’s a terrible case, hard to even read about.They will serve life sentences, as in a way will all the parents concerned.

Can someone who thinks that they should be named explain why they think that, please? Not just that they deserve it, but specifically what it is that they think will be gained? I still don't really know what I think.