So, our Home Office celebrates World Hajib Day ??

Casdon

Urmstongran

Why has the Home Office even got its own Islamic Network? Do they have a Jewish Network or C of E Network? No of course not. 5th columnists spring to mind.

I find it all very worrying.

Yes, they do. There is a Home Office/Civil Service network for every major religion.

Well I never!
I worked for the HO for years and don't remember any of that.

To each their own.
Nobody can know what goes on behind closed doors.

I had an aunt who always had long, dyed, platinum blonde hair (no boob tubes or minis, from what I can remember)

The point was that it was her (awful) husband who insisted she had long her hair that way - she was totally controlled by him.

TerriBull

Well obviously I'd agree with that too Glorianny it's not either or, sexualised children or covered up for their own good. Just standard children's clothing will do.

Exactly so why focus on a hijab?

VioletSky

Women should get to wear what they want

If a woman chooses to wear it, respect her choice

If a woman chooses not to, respect her choice

It's simple

Therefore nothing to celebrate.

Celebrating it is pressuring women.

Glorianny Jewish women shaving their heads then wearing wigs is just plain daft.

growstuff

None of the females in my son-in-law's family wear a hijab - and I suspect the same goes on behind closed as in any family. The females most definitely aren't suppressed.

Muslims in the UK come from all sorts of different backgrounds. It's a shame they all get lumped together.

Yes, I agree

It's potentially very damaging to do that

I meant "repressed" not "suppressed"

None of the females in my son-in-law's family wear a hijab - and I suspect the same goes on behind closed as in any family. The females most definitely aren't suppressed.

Muslims in the UK come from all sorts of different backgrounds. It's a shame they all get lumped together.

You wont know what goes on behind closed doors.

I have Muslim friends who wear it and don't

None seem very repressed...

Remember the culture in the UK can be different from that abroad

AGAA4 👏👏👏

Covering up is allowing men to believe they can't control their sexual urges ergo it's a woman's fault if she is attacked.
The same applies to western women who like to wear short skirts and boob tubes. If she's attacked then some believe it's her own fault for the way she dresses.
It's time men took responsibility for their actions and stop blaming women.

Well obviously I'd agree with that too Glorianny it's not either or, sexualised children or covered up for their own good. Just standard children's clothing will do.

CONTROL- masquerading as modesty, religious or cultural conformity, moral virtue - that is my gut reaction to the selection of head coverings required of any religion but most prominently at the moment, of Islam.
I confess to being always in a dilemna over this because as a feminist of the "whatever I wear..... wherever I go... yes means yes and no means no" variety choice has to include the choice to wear a Headscarf ? ????
My gut reaction to all the headscarves however named is , I must confess , a negative one.
I worked with a lovely Muslim lady years ago who didn't wear any sign of her religion in the workplace and I gather , from what she said , never wore Headscarves . Chatting in the office she said that HER SONS, who were two children about 9 and 11 years of age , were trying to talk her into wearing specifically the Hijab , "because "all GOOD women wore them".
They were in good early training for telling women what to do........................

Urmstongran

Why has the Home Office even got its own Islamic Network? Do they have a Jewish Network or C of E Network? No of course not. 5th columnists spring to mind.

I find it all very worrying.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/civil-service-staff-networks/civil-service-jewish-network

I suggest you tell that to the women in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan or are you suggesting that they are willingly covering themselves?

If this is something they are doing willingly why are they systematically beaten and imprisoned for not covering their head or covering it incorrectly.

As for the women who have to wear the full body covering with only a black mesh small aperture through which they can see which is strictly policed in Afghanistan…

TerriBull

I think we should be able to discuss the fact that requirement of women covering their heads one way or another is a patriarchal construct. I'm listening to Barbra Streisand 's autobiography at the moment, when she was doing research for her film Yentl on delving into The Talmud and speaking to scholars in the Jewish religion, allegedly there isn't a directive in their holy book that says women should shave their head and wear wigs, but orthodox women do. I've heard corresponding points of view from progressive Muslims, there is no rule stated in The Koran that women should cover their heads. So where is this coming from? men in both cases and men again in the religion I was brought up in Catholicism and women go along with it until they don't and then they are considered, depending on how extreme the religion is renegades. Submission from women is what's required and God help women when those so called religions morph into theocracies. Yes fine I know some women like wearing the hijab fair enough their choice, but of course you'd never know if that was the case. What I think is pretty awful to see little girls no older than 5 scarved up as was the case when I took my then young granddaughter to the theatre. Covering a child's head because, her hair is a temptation to men, what sort of message is that

I'd agree but I think dressing a little girl in a boob tube, a mini skirt and adding a slogan like "Juicy" or some other suggestive words is also unacceptable.

Many Muslim women regard the hijab as a garment they choose to wear. They see it as in direct opposition to Western feminism which encourages women to display themselves and hence turns them into sex objects in the eyes of men. The hijab covers them and men are forced to consider their mind rather than their body.
Condemning such women as being totally dominated by men is wrong. Opening your eyes to current Islamic ideas is advisable.
Orthodox Jewish women shave their heads and wear wigs once they are married. Is that ok?

I agree with all of your post TerriBull

I think we should be able to discuss the fact that requirement of women covering their heads one way or another is a patriarchal construct. I'm listening to Barbra Streisand 's autobiography at the moment, when she was doing research for her film Yentl on delving into The Talmud and speaking to scholars in the Jewish religion, allegedly there isn't a directive in their holy book that says women should shave their head and wear wigs, but orthodox women do. I've heard corresponding points of view from progressive Muslims, there is no rule stated in The Koran that women should cover their heads. So where is this coming from? men in both cases and men again in the religion I was brought up in Catholicism and women go along with it until they don't and then they are considered, depending on how extreme the religion is renegades. Submission from women is what's required and God help women when those so called religions morph into theocracies. Yes fine I know some women like wearing the hijab fair enough their choice, but of course you'd never know if that was the case. What I think is pretty awful to see little girls no older than 5 scarved up as was the case when I took my then young granddaughter to the theatre. Covering a child's head because, her hair is a temptation to men, what sort of message is that

Urmstongran

Why has the Home Office even got its own Islamic Network? Do they have a Jewish Network or C of E Network? No of course not. 5th columnists spring to mind.

I find it all very worrying.

Yes, they do. There is a Home Office/Civil Service network for every major religion.

In this country it is a choice, which we should allow.
But I don't think that putting the onus on women to control men's sexual urges is anything to celebrate.

Why has the Home Office even got its own Islamic Network? Do they have a Jewish Network or C of E Network? No of course not. 5th columnists spring to mind.

I find it all very worrying.

AGAA4

I don't understand why the oppression of women should be celebrated in our country. Baffling.

I understand perfectly.

I don't understand why the oppression of women should be celebrated in our country. Baffling.