The vote on the call for ceasefire in Gaza

Callistemon21

Whitewavemark2

Last post 🙂. I had a shoulder cuff injury that took 2 years to heal. That was 2 years ago now and it is fine. I’m 78😮. Good night😴

Oh! Does it heal on its own? I was offered surgery for torn rotor cuff but apparently it doesn't work so well on older people. I'd be relieved if it has.

Yes. To begin with the worse was trying to sleep at night, but I looked it up on YouTube and there is a lot of advice on there. - lots of pillows etc. which helped. I did eventually have an appointment with a physio, but although very good she didn’t tell me anything I had not already read.

The trick though is to carry on as far as possible as normal as possible. I am not one to take tablets so I allowed my shoulder to do the “talking” as it were.

After two years I was back to normal and now 4 years it is completely normal - no pain at all if I lie on it.

You don't realise how incapacitating it can be, even just getting dressed, going to the loo etc. Sleeping on your back isn't easy unless you're used to it!
I hope it mends well and you're not in too much pain now.

I hope your fracture heals quickly Iam, I’ve never broken a bone but I have had two small bones removed, both trapeziectomies. It is indeed extremely difficult to manage with pain and plaster. My poor old mum broke her shoulder and she was in a lot of pain, and so I guess you are similarly afflicted. Rest, especially rest your arm, and get well soon

Whitewavemark2

Last post 🙂. I had a shoulder cuff injury that took 2 years to heal. That was 2 years ago now and it is fine. I’m 78😮. Good night😴

Oh! Does it heal on its own? I was offered surgery for torn rotor cuff but apparently it doesn't work so well on older people. I'd be relieved if it has.

Last post 🙂. I had a shoulder cuff injury that took 2 years to heal. That was 2 years ago now and it is fine. I’m 78😮. Good night😴

The hospital say a year by which time my shoulder will be nearly 76. Still I’m doing the exercises and thinking positively. Hugely relieved the fall wasn’t worse

The trouble is these things always take more time than we expect. But the body does slowly do its job and hopefully in a year or so any discomfort will be gone.

Thanks - it seems to be going as well as it could but so restricting and it hurts of course

Hope your fracture heals soon. Blimmin’ nuisance though.

Whitewavemark2

The irony is that labour is constantly accused of anti-semitism.

I also think that by not tackling these overt prejudices which lumps whole groups of people when talking about extremism in all political parties inhibits proper discourse that should be tackling extremism by individuals in the country from wherever it comes.

Thanks Whitewave - it’s time consuming to try and unpick the various allegations. It’s too easy to ‘take sides’. These things are rarely either/or.
I’m struggling with a fracture plus I.m no tech genius. Thanks for looking at this

Are you talking about one of my posts where I said that I’d read that Starmer was being funded by ?Israel (I can’t remember the actual post) and that is why he acted as he did - and that I needed an answer to this?

Well as you must be more than aware things have moved on a great deal since then and I think I am satisfied that Starmer acted properly and not as had been suggested, during the initial frantic hours of that chaotic day.

annie I was a tad busy because I do have a life outside of GN and this almost always take priority unless I have nothing better to do🙂.

Quote Whitewavemark2 Sun 25-Feb-24 17:06:45
Iam64
‘Funded’ in what way? I suspect funding by various groups takes place. We may wish it was not so but it is
Yes it is friends of Israel group in the Labour Party from individuals and apparently the Israeli government.

Of course this goes on - it would be naive to think otherwise.

Just as a heads up I have t actually pursued this further to be absolutely sure it is correct, so if someone feels like doing so?

I’m a tad busy at the moment

So disappointing for you Whitewave too busy to follow your
allegations against Starmer and other members of Labour.

The irony is that labour is constantly accused of anti-semitism.

I also think that by not tackling these overt prejudices which lumps whole groups of people when talking about extremism in all political parties inhibits proper discourse that should be tackling extremism by individuals in the country from wherever it comes.

Iam64

‘Funded’ in what way? I suspect funding by various groups takes place. We may wish it was not so but it is

Yes it is friends of Israel group in the Labour Party from individuals and apparently the Israeli government.

Of course this goes on - it would be naive to think otherwise.

Just as a heads up I have t actually pursued this further to be absolutely sure it is correct, so if someone feels like doing so?

I’m a tad busy at the moment

montymops

Well Glorianny I don’t recall Ukraine bursting into Russia as the first move and murdering hundreds of Russian citizens? I believe it was the other way round? People have a right to defend themselves. I understand that Netanyahu’s brother was the only soldier killed in the raid on Entebbe.

Nor did the Palestinian people burst into anywhere. They were evicted from their lands. They have been under Israeli occupation for over 50 years. Numerous resolutions have been passed against Israel by the UN and it has complied with none of them. If Russia occupied Ukraine (as it did for almost 50 years) should Ukrainians just accept that occupation? Should the rest of the world just permit Russia to slaughter them?

Well Glorianny I don’t recall Ukraine bursting into Russia as the first move and murdering hundreds of Russian citizens? I believe it was the other way round? People have a right to defend themselves. I understand that Netanyahu’s brother was the only soldier killed in the raid on Entebbe.

‘Funded’ in what way? I suspect funding by various groups takes place. We may wish it was not so but it is

Whitewavemark2 Sun 25-Feb-24 14:43:16
Anniebach
Iam reading accusations that Starmer and other members of the Labour Party are being funded by Israeli connections, which is why he acted as he did yesterday.

We need answers.

Your post above Whitewave where did you read the above and did you get answers ?
Sorry annie I keep forgetting.

So far I have discovered that

Declassified has found.

Twenty percent of Labour's sitting MPs have been funded by pro-Israel groups or individuals – including 15 who have been directly funded by the Israeli state. Some 41 of Labour's 197 sitting MPs have accepted money from the Israel lobby.

I suspect that an equal amount are funded by pro-Palestine groups.

Thank you, names please

Zionism has nothing to do with the Jewish faith

Perhaps its associations now are not but yes, it is very much to do with Judaism. Zion is mentioned many times in the Old Testament, it is a hill in Jerusalem where Yaweh resides. Time and again the Jewish people were exiled from their homeland and time and again they returned.

The name was adopted by a nationalist movement but the "hiraeth" remains.

Anniebach

Iam reading accusations that Starmer and other members of the Labour Party are being funded by Israeli connections, which is why he acted as he did yesterday.

We need answers.

Your post above Whitewave where did you read the above and did you get answers ?

Sorry annie I keep forgetting.

So far I have discovered that

Declassified has found.

Twenty percent of Labour's sitting MPs have been funded by pro-Israel groups or individuals – including 15 who have been directly funded by the Israeli state. Some 41 of Labour's 197 sitting MPs have accepted money from the Israel lobby.

I suspect that an equal amount are funded by pro-Palestine groups.

gagsy

Why is no one calling for Russia to stop bombarding Ukraine or China and Iran murdering people and have been for a long time, people wiping out whole villages and kidnapping young girls in Africa? No one seems bothered about them.

Perhaps because our government is not supplying arms to Russia and is supporting Ukraine. The situation in fact is exactly the reverse of that conflict. Suppose we were supplying Russia with arms and allowing them to bomb Ukraine after they had driven the citizens of Ukraine into a small enclave, would that be OK? If not why is it OK for Israel to treat Palestinians in such a way?

I agree urmstongran- the SNP have lost their credibility due to Nicola Sturgeons machinations and subsequent downfall. Therefore, they used the tragic Gaza/Israel situation as a hand grenade. The whole saga was entirely their fault. Keir Starmers amendment included the return of the Israeli hostages and was therefore a balanced view.

gagsy

Why is no one calling for Russia to stop bombarding Ukraine or China and Iran murdering people and have been for a long time, people wiping out whole villages and kidnapping young girls in Africa? No one seems bothered about them.

Because Jewish people are involved gagsy.

brummie

Criticism of Israel and its government is not anti-Semitic. It has dispossessed and dehumanised the Palestinian people for over 75 year. Many Jewish people are against Israel, its government and Zionism. You will see people of the Jewish faith, along with Christians, Muslims, atheists, Human Rights campaigners, struggling to make their voices heard in the marches which one of your readers in Manchester complains about. Jewish people protest weekly outside the Israeli ambassadors residence about the siege of Gaza ,
- the genocide, starvation and destruction of homes and infrastructure. The ambassador had expressed her aim ‘to destroy the whole of Gaza- every single building in it.’
Zionism has nothing to do with the Jewish faith.
Foxie48 is naive to think big donors are not going to influence policy.

I have no doubt that being a big donor gives "access" but that is not the same as influencing policy.

Why is no one calling for Russia to stop bombarding Ukraine or China and Iran murdering people and have been for a long time, people wiping out whole villages and kidnapping young girls in Africa? No one seems bothered about them.