The vote on the call for ceasefire in Gaza

maddyone

Iam64

Both I think maddy. It suits both to undermine Starmer and the speaker. We need grown up politics

Don’t we just. I was amazed when I saw what had happened that night (sorry, can’t remember whether it Wednesday or Tuesday, but thinking it was Wednesday, not that it matters.)

It was Wednesday 😃
What a debacle it all was! No wonder many say they won’t be bothering to vote next time, I predict a low turnout.

Glorianny it’s just one Jewish guy who suits your world view.

I choose not to read, i choose to avoid links posted by any of
the far left

Anniebach

Feinstein, Owen Jones is a fan, need i say more

Well yes I think so. You dismiss the views of a Jewish man whose mother hid from the Nazis, who lost family members in Auschwitz, who was active in the ANC and worked to destroy apartheid in South Africa just because someone you don't like likes him. That isn't reasoned argument is it?

Feinstein, Owen Jones is a fan, need i say more

Iam64

Gloryanny - I need to try and ignore your partisan posts

Ignore away, There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Why is Andrew Feinstein partisan? He's a Jewish South African. he quotes Nelson Mandela, he's worked against apartheid all of his life.

SNP have a general election this year and Labour is certainly gaining ground again in Scotland, how could they use the horrors of Gaza and Israel to get more support

Gloryanny - I need to try and ignore your partisan posts

Storm in a teacup. The issues are far more important than this posturing from political parties.

Iam64

Both I think maddy. It suits both to undermine Starmer and the speaker. We need grown up politics

Don’t we just. I was amazed when I saw what had happened that night (sorry, can’t remember whether it Wednesday or Tuesday, but thinking it was Wednesday, not that it matters.)

Freya5

Glorianny

www.facebook.com/reel/720955976888344
Andrew Feinstein Jewish South African politician on why Israel is an apartheid state worse than SA, and why Israel will happily kill Palestinians. It isn't a conceptI had considered and it is truly shocking,

Will suit your bias this one. Perhaps he has bias too. No thank you.

Yes he's really biased. He's a Jew who lost family in the holocaust. He's a SA politician who worked closely with Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu. He's an expert on apartheid.
It's the sort of bias we should be listening to.

Exactly, well put LizzieDrip

My understanding is that Starmer lobbied the speaker on the issue, putting forward any relevant information e.g. threats to Labour MPs after the November ceasefire vote etc. This lobbying is completely within the rules so criticism of Starmer by other parties is totally unfounded. The Tories & SNP tried to lay a trap for Labour and, when it didn’t work, they both showed their true colours … and walked out.

Both I think maddy. It suits both to undermine Starmer and the speaker. We need grown up politics

What do those who wanted a immediate ceasefire think would
be the outcome, Israel and Hamas say ‘the UK want us to stop’
so they stop ?

Was it the Tories who made the allegation? I didn’t realise, I thought it was the SNP.

I don't think there's any evidence that KS put pressure on the speaker. There's a distinct difference between "putting pressure" on someone and "urging" them, not the same thing at all and both KS and the speaker denied there was any pressure used.

maddyone, Starmer and Hoyle deny any pressure was put on the speaker. My observation is they’re more honest than the tories making the allegation,

Whitewavemark2

I do think that people in public office should never be subjected to protest outside of their private residence. By all means protest outside of public offices, town halls, parliament etc

Isn’t there something in the HR Act about the right to privacy?

(Just to wind the right wing up😄😄)

Why would it wind the right wing up, or anyone else for that matter?
I should have thought that everyone on here would think that people in public office should never be subjected to protest outside of their residence. In fact they should never be harassed anywhere. Rachel Reeves was apparently hassled and harassed by a group of Muslim women in London. How dare they? What right have they to do that?
Indeed there is something in the HR Act that protects privacy Whitewave, and I feel quite annoyed that Rachel Reeves was hassled and probably intimidated like that.

Reading through all this, I think I’m changing my mind about it all. I’m now thinking that the Labour motion was the one that should have been debated perhaps. I was thinking originally that the Scottish motion should have been debated simply because that was the one put forward first. Nonetheless I find it difficult to reconcile the fact that KS put pressure on the speaker. That should never have happened.

Iam I find the demand for an immediate ceasefire frightening. I too was glad to hear Angela Rayner, Starmer is looking at the bigger picture.

COGAT
@cogatonline
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“20 bakeries are now operational in the Gaza Strip, following our facilitation. These bakeries are providing over 2.5 million pita breads a day to the civilian population of Gaza.

Check out this video from a bakery in Nusierat, central Gaza, yesterday (Feb. 22).”

(COGAT is an Israeli defence military unit).

Annie - I’m with you on this. I was pleased to see Angela Raynor supporting Starmer on the wording
We all recognise Netanyahu and Hamas unlikely to listen but that doesn’t mean we don’t ask

I wonder how much more Biden could do to influence Netanyahu’s govt

Humanitarian ceasefire is caring for all involved

Immediate ceasefire is sod the consequences it makes me seem caring

Your support of the Labour Party has always excluded support for members/mp’s who don’t share your world view Glorianny.

The snp motion called for a ceasefire. The Labour motion called for humanitarian ceasefire with Israel and Hamas agreeing to stop bombing and firing rockets etc.