Islamaphobia is getting out of control

Or separate even if you prefer the correct spelling.

Iam64
growstuff

There are those here who consistently show us who they really are.

Shameful.

Is that the meaning in the equality act? I think those characteristics are seperate in that legislation

Urmstongran

Islam is not a race. It is not racist to criticise a religion.

There is only one race - the human race.

"Racist" has a specific meaning which covers hatred of people belonging to a religious or national group. Presumably you don't think anti-semitism is racist. By that reasoning, you obviously think that doesn't exist either.

Baroness Warsi and the APPG cross party think Islamophobia exists.

Islam is not a race. It is not racist to criticise a religion.

growstuff

Joseann

Re protesters at Waterloo, it looks like Liverpool Street had similar problems.
Note the masks too.

Maybe they didn't want to catch Covid. Those masks are hardly an effective disguise.

If you'd said that about covid and masks in 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 I might have agreed. But this was only a few months ago and I've not seem anynumber of mask wearers during my visits to Paddington, Heathrow or any travel hub.

Iam64

Some of the recent comments about what it is to be Muslim tend to confirm the oP

Well said! They certainly do.

Urmstongran

Mask wearers can now be arrested by the Police at a demo.
Good. It’s a start.

And if I just want to protect myself from Covid in a crowd?

Some of the recent comments about what it is to be Muslim tend to confirm the oP

Mask wearers can now be arrested by the Police at a demo.
Good. It’s a start.

Joseann

Re protesters at Waterloo, it looks like Liverpool Street had similar problems.
Note the masks too.

Sorry, football fans at Waterloo. (Thought they might have been protesting about something?)

Joseann

Re protesters at Waterloo, it looks like Liverpool Street had similar problems.
Note the masks too.

Maybe they didn't want to catch Covid. Those masks are hardly an effective disguise.

growstuff

PS. I would be more fearful if I were Jewish or Muslim.

Indeed.

Urmstongran

There is no such thing as Islamophobia. It’s an artificial construct designed to shut down debate.

No, it's a word to describe discriminatory hatred of Muslims. Maybe you would rather not acknowledge that it exists.

Re protesters at Waterloo, it looks like Liverpool Street had similar problems.
Note the masks too.

PS. I would be more fearful if I were Jewish or Muslim.

There is no such thing as Islamophobia. It’s an artificial construct designed to shut down debate.

Joseann

So are we saying that the way we use the word Islamophobia these days is technically incorrect? That it was originally used to mean a "fear", but then it evolved into meaning an aversion or a "hatred"? So it now means something negative and sinister.
The valid reason I see for that, is that that fear is escalating at such an alarming rate in this country as to overwhelm us. We can hardly draw breath.

Don't ask me Joseann. It was Kemi Badenoch who said the Conservatives don't use it. I'm sorry, but I'm not overwhelmed by fear. Maybe it's because I watch the wrong TV programmes or read the wrong newspapers. It does seem that certain people have an interest in stoking up fear.

Well, Sometime soon, there's going to be another, unmistakable, undeniable, "trademark" atrocity, everyone here knows that. And when that happens, head scratching and navel gazing won't cut it.

So are we saying that the way we use the word Islamophobia these days is technically incorrect? That it was originally used to mean a "fear", but then it evolved into meaning an aversion or a "hatred"? So it now means something negative and sinister.
The valid reason I see for that, is that that fear is escalating at such an alarming rate in this country as to overwhelm us. We can hardly draw breath.

Rosie51

Glorianny

Rosie51

Glorianny

I do find it extraordinary that football fans can push a policeman over but no one is arrested.

When, where, link please? If it happened I imagine it could be the policeman was trying to de-escalate the situation, rather like police don't tend to arrest many at the protests, even when offences are being committed. I notice you're avoiding telling us what happened at Waterloo today. Could that be because you have got it wrong and won't admit it?

It happened at the Waterloo clash and yes it was on Saturday. No idea why my internet gave me Saturday's paper but it did and so I said today, sorry. The police incident is there in the Evening Standard. And you can see it happen on the video they show www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/fight-waterloo-train-station-football-fans-b1141463.html
I do think what causes someone to be arrested is interesting.

Do you mean this bit from your link One officer falls over in the pushing and shoving but manages to clamber back to his feet. Now I'm not excusing the fighting but it wasn't a deliberate pushing over of an officer, and it clearly says they were de-escalating the situation. The whole episode was over very quickly. No doubt it was scary for other passengers, but they were able to give the fighters a wide berth. There was no disruption to their journeys, no trains were delayed. Not on the same scale as these Saturday marches and all the other protests London is subjected to.

For the record objecting to the disruption in London every Saturday does not mean that I don't think the situation isn't awful. The hostages need to be released, and peace talks need to happen. Disrupting London week after week is not going to influence either Hamas or Netanyahu.

The police 'couldn't locate' the projector casting the image on to the Elizabeth Tower and yet several people on twitter/X took images of the projector and the man operating it. I suppose those police were also not wanting to create a situation in a hot-headed crowd.

Watch the link Rosie51 see how he goes down
In the shocking images those taking part can be seen running at police as travellers at the station witness the violence unfolding on the busy concours.
The travellers are reported as "terrified" which is a bit more than having your shopping disrupted.

Urmstongran

Sharia law in this country - religious intolerance , indoctrinating young people, lack of respect for women - what’s not to like - its not fear that gets to people - it’s their medieval thinking.

Where is my country going?
See that pan?
Down there.

What do you actually know about how Sharia law operates in the UK? It has no legal standing and most Muslims have no time for it. There is absolutely no chance it will be legitimised in the UK - unless something catastrophic happens.

Urmstongran

I think (?) we are in agreement growstuff.
Separating out Muslim from Islam?

Errr ... no! Muslims believe in Islam. Islamist seems to be a new word the right-wing media has recently invented.

This is just some of the abuse Dawn Butler has received for calling out islamophobic (sorry, anti-muslim) hate.