Islamaphobia is getting out of control

I think (?) we are in agreement growstuff.
Separating out Muslim from Islam?

Sharia law in this country - religious intolerance , indoctrinating young people, lack of respect for women - what’s not to like - its not fear that gets to people - it’s their medieval thinking.

Where is my country going?
See that pan?
Down there.

PS. "Islam*ism*" is a made-up concept.

Urmstongran

Islam is a religion.
Ergo Islamophobia (a made up sound bite) is a bit of a nonsense. Do we have Christianophia? Or Buddismophibia?
No - we do not.

We can criticise or call out any religion, it’s not racist I think we are conflating Islamists and Muslims.

Islamism and extremism are what we should be addressing.
This religion (cult) would throw gays off a roof, stone women for various misdeeds, beheading people etc. Mediaeval practices.

The label is irrelevant. "Discrimination against Muslims" is a bit of a mouthful, but that's what it is and it doesn't really matter what you call it.

Iam64

Yes so why can’t he accurately describe it as islamophobic -

Apparently, Conservatives no longer use the word "islamophobic".This is what Kemi Badenoch tweeted. Make of it what you will.

Islam is a religion.
Ergo Islamophobia (a made up sound bite) is a bit of a nonsense. Do we have Christianophia? Or Buddismophibia?
No - we do not.

We can criticise or call out any religion, it’s not racist I think we are conflating Islamists and Muslims.

Islamism and extremism are what we should be addressing.
This religion (cult) would throw gays off a roof, stone women for various misdeeds, beheading people etc. Mediaeval practices.

Yes so why can’t he accurately describe it as islamophobic -

Iam64

Lee Anderson is not accepting he said anything wrong. Sunak is refusing to describe his comments as islamophobic. Baroness Warsi is clear Anderson is Islamophobic and describes Braverman as dangerous.
We are living in dangerous times. Naming Islamophobia in no way detracts from anti semitism, as some have suggested.

The PM described Mr Anderson’s words as wrong and unacceptable on BBC local radio this morning.

Glorianny

Rosie51

Glorianny

I do find it extraordinary that football fans can push a policeman over but no one is arrested.

When, where, link please? If it happened I imagine it could be the policeman was trying to de-escalate the situation, rather like police don't tend to arrest many at the protests, even when offences are being committed. I notice you're avoiding telling us what happened at Waterloo today. Could that be because you have got it wrong and won't admit it?

It happened at the Waterloo clash and yes it was on Saturday. No idea why my internet gave me Saturday's paper but it did and so I said today, sorry. The police incident is there in the Evening Standard. And you can see it happen on the video they show www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/fight-waterloo-train-station-football-fans-b1141463.html
I do think what causes someone to be arrested is interesting.

Do you mean this bit from your link One officer falls over in the pushing and shoving but manages to clamber back to his feet. Now I'm not excusing the fighting but it wasn't a deliberate pushing over of an officer, and it clearly says they were de-escalating the situation. The whole episode was over very quickly. No doubt it was scary for other passengers, but they were able to give the fighters a wide berth. There was no disruption to their journeys, no trains were delayed. Not on the same scale as these Saturday marches and all the other protests London is subjected to.

For the record objecting to the disruption in London every Saturday does not mean that I don't think the situation isn't awful. The hostages need to be released, and peace talks need to happen. Disrupting London week after week is not going to influence either Hamas or Netanyahu.

The police 'couldn't locate' the projector casting the image on to the Elizabeth Tower and yet several people on twitter/X took images of the projector and the man operating it. I suppose those police were also not wanting to create a situation in a hot-headed crowd.

Lee Anderson is not accepting he said anything wrong. Sunak is refusing to describe his comments as islamophobic. Baroness Warsi is clear Anderson is Islamophobic and describes Braverman as dangerous.
We are living in dangerous times. Naming Islamophobia in no way detracts from anti semitism, as some have suggested.

Rosie51

Glorianny

I do find it extraordinary that football fans can push a policeman over but no one is arrested.

When, where, link please? If it happened I imagine it could be the policeman was trying to de-escalate the situation, rather like police don't tend to arrest many at the protests, even when offences are being committed. I notice you're avoiding telling us what happened at Waterloo today. Could that be because you have got it wrong and won't admit it?

It happened at the Waterloo clash and yes it was on Saturday. No idea why my internet gave me Saturday's paper but it did and so I said today, sorry. The police incident is there in the Evening Standard. And you can see it happen on the video they show www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/fight-waterloo-train-station-football-fans-b1141463.html
I do think what causes someone to be arrested is interesting.

😲 Oh no!

Just for you Callistemon

There were two matches played in London on Saturday. Crystal Palace beat Burnley. Arsenal beat Newcastle. Do you want the actual scores?

All these strawman arguments are really interesting.

Who was playing and who won on Saturday?

Glorianny

I do find it extraordinary that football fans can push a policeman over but no one is arrested.

When, where, link please? If it happened I imagine it could be the policeman was trying to de-escalate the situation, rather like police don't tend to arrest many at the protests, even when offences are being committed. I notice you're avoiding telling us what happened at Waterloo today. Could that be because you have got it wrong and won't admit it?

Mustafafag
Not for 51 years!

I do find it extraordinary that football fans can push a policeman over but no one is arrested.

Mustafafag

These MPs (and the despicable rags like the Daily Mail) are fomenting fear among the type of people who voted Brexit, in time for the election. They’ll do anything to try and hold on to power. One could just as easily say that the Zionists have control of the government - but that would be anti semitic wouldn’t it?! To call the people protesting about the slaughter in Gaza ‘Islamist mobs’ is deeply offensive in several ways, given the very broad cross section of the population who take part. 60% of hate crimes against Muslims are against women, so a good dose of misogyny going on too., and any criticism of Israeli government policy or politicians is deemed antisemitic. The right wing rhetoric coming from within our government is frankly terrifying, and seeing it echoing round Europe and America adds to my fears for the world.

I agree! Though your name

Glorianny Those at Waterloo today wouldn't, or this crowd might stop you shopping
Hope that resolves the problem for you all

Nice try. What happened at Waterloo TODAY as I can't find anything reported? Saturday's scuffle at Waterloo was quickly resolved by British Transport Police. No disruption to trains at all.

Sorry, it's that name.

These MPs (and the despicable rags like the Daily Mail) are fomenting fear among the type of people who voted Brexit, in time for the election. They’ll do anything to try and hold on to power. One could just as easily say that the Zionists have control of the government - but that would be anti semitic wouldn’t it?! To call the people protesting about the slaughter in Gaza ‘Islamist mobs’ is deeply offensive in several ways, given the very broad cross section of the population who take part. 60% of hate crimes against Muslims are against women, so a good dose of misogyny going on too., and any criticism of Israeli government policy or politicians is deemed antisemitic. The right wing rhetoric coming from within our government is frankly terrifying, and seeing it echoing round Europe and America adds to my fears for the world.

Glorianny

Rosie51

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

Rosie51 the image posted by Glorianny was not at Waterloo, and I doubt very much it was Saturday 24/02/24

Look at what they are wearing, it was cold in the S E…

Of course it wasn't Waterloo, sorry if it gave that impression it was England and Scotland football fans in central London outside the shops. I wonder which the shopkeepers prefer football fans or marchers?

Glorianny Perhaps some of them do. Those at Waterloo today wouldn't or this crowd might stop you shopping

You made a statement that's factually incorrect with no links to any source. Nothing happened today at Waterloo station and the disruption on Saturday was dozens of fans who thankfully didn't cause any delay or disruption to the trains. Did you bother to read the link I provided? I missed where you said it was Scottish and English fans which would have immediately confirmed it wasn't a recent happening.
I'm sure you'd be able to tell the shopkeepers which group they prefer, you seem to like telling Londoners how things are.

Sorry I omitted a comma after Waterloo.
I just said football fans I didn't realise clear delineation was required.
Does it matter how recent it was? Does disruption diminish after time has passed?

The comma should be after wouldn't
So sorry again
It should read
Those at Waterloo today wouldn't, or this crowd might stop you shopping
Hope that resolves the problem for you all

OMG I've frequently asked for sources and been ignored.
I've dodged on and off here today whilst doing other things. I have neither the time nor am I particularly interested in misleading anyone. I simply think that the Islamophobic comments about the marchers need some response.
And football crowds do disrupt.
Quite why marchers are viewed as more disruptive I don't know.

Glorianny Sorry I omitted a comma after Waterloo.

That makes even less sense! So you meant to write "Those at Waterloo, today wouldn't or this crowd might stop you shopping"? What on earth does 'today' reference? Instead of doubling down it might be better to admit you dived in without too much checking.

No of course disruption doesn't diminish after time has passed. Those who've lives have been disrupted by various protests haven't had that disruption to medical appointments and more magicked away by the passing of time. The people who missed the funeral of a loved one when the Dartford bridge was closed didn't get to do a rerun several days later. The man whose path to his dying father in hospital was blocked didn't get to touch his live father one more time. Never mind, it's all in a good cause.

Glorianny as you ask (demand) exact sources and evidence to back up what others post, you really cannot be surprised when others expect the same from you.

Your post and the accompanying photo, were deliberately misleading in order to further your argument