Islamaphobia is getting out of control

GrannyGravy13

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Frankly I think that the police have handled all the marches with professionalism. The fact that they have all almost without exception have taken place peacefully shows a skill honed over decades of experience.

So you are ok with the blocking of Tower Bridge yesterday evening along with the protesters letting off of flares.

Flares by the way are capable of seriously injuring humans and animals including blinding…

What is the difference between this and Just Stop Oil?

Not pro Palestine protestors, but far more disruptive to peoples live, and far more radical in their actions.

SeaWoozle the keyword in your post is respect

It has to come from one and all.

Urmstongran

I find the idea that the police have advisors from any faith abhorrent.

Right is right and wrong is wrong for all people here - citizens or visitors. What is there to consult or be advised about? Don't they know the laws of the land?!

So if police went barging into a church on a Sunday to arrest someone, that's OK? Equally, if they went into a synagogue on a Friday that would be fine too?

That's probably why! A culturally diverse nation such as ours surely commands mutual respect from all sides and therefore requires guidance on how to deal with sensitive matters such as race, culture and religion AND the law.

As an aside, I don't agree for one minute that politics, religion or education should affect one another BUT if being respectful of one anothers faith etc then that is surely a a good thing when it comes to enforcing the law?

Or maybe I'm wrong? 🤷

Urmstongran

I find the idea that the police have advisors from any faith abhorrent.

Right is right and wrong is wrong for all people here - citizens or visitors. What is there to consult or be advised about? Don't they know the laws of the land?!

When we have visited Muslim and/or Arab countries, we have always checked the dress and moral codes of conduct beforehand.

I would like to think that visitors and newly arrived asylum seekers to the U.K. would do likewise.

Anniebach

Dickens it doesn’t explain why about 60 were allowed to
surround the home of a MP

I'm not sure Anniebach but I don't think it's illegal to protest outside someone's house. And please don't take that as meaning that I'm in favour of such tactics.

Trespassing on their property I would assume is a different matter.

This kind of strategy by activists has been used historically. It wasn't that long ago that militants surrounded Rees-Mogg outside his Westminster home, with his (or some) children present - one even accosted one of the children... it isn't just pro-Palestinian protestors who indulge in this kind of behaviour. Personally, I don't approve of it - regardless who the victim is - and certainly believe the children of the individual should be protected. But that's simply my opinion which is irrelevant.

I assume the Police have rules on what can or cannot be allowed - and know what constitute a breach of the peace. I don't, I'm not at all clued-up about such matters.

But, I don't believe for one minute that the Police are in anyway 'favouring' the pro-Palestinian trouble-making elements, rather they are under some kind of command which has instructed them to proceed with caution because of the very volatile nature of the protests and the possibility of riots and widespread violence following any action that can be construed on their part as a misdemeanour.

And, of course, there is the fact that Police numbers were cut, drastically, which must be a factor in the equation. Just how well could they handle widespread violence and riots in Britain? It's one thing to deal with an isolated incident in one part of the country but if it becomes extensive ???

The country has got itself into a right old mess, and I think both Right and Left, for different reasons, have got questions to answer and must bear some of the responsibility for the state we are in now. But that's an aspect for a different discussion.

I find the idea that the police have advisors from any faith abhorrent.

Right is right and wrong is wrong for all people here - citizens or visitors. What is there to consult or be advised about? Don't they know the laws of the land?!

Much hatred and it will be evident in the next general election

My main emotion is fear. Not where I live, I have nothing to fear here, but I’ve just booked seats to take my eleven year old grandson to see The Lion King in the Easter holidays. I deliberately avoided booking a Saturday because Saturday is the day of the marches/protests. That’s called fear. We booked midweek instead.

Gosh GrannyGravy, I’ve just read the links you posted and it’s shocking.

Unlike some people I don’t confuse ISIS and Islam, just like I don’t consider all Germans to be Nazi, all Irish to be IRA etc etc.

Cossy
So what are you saying? That the violent protestors on the streets (and I am aware that not all are violent), those intimidating MPs and Jewish people, are all members of ISIS?

GrannyGravy our elected representatives should not have to spend their lives fearing an attack, being accosted when they try to help as Anna Firth was.
In your link, she said protecting MPs is a job for the police and she is right. Protecting the public is paramount too.
Sadly, there is much hatred apparent in this country at the moment and it is frightening.

Cossy

Christianity is still statistically the biggest religion in the UK. Muslims currently make up under 7% of our overall population and is the second largest religion, followed by Hinduism.

I feel quite shocked by some of the comments on here! I live in Essex, only a 45 mins train ride from London, where I worked for many years in the private sector before becoming a Civil Servant much later in my professional life.

I’ve had the pleasure of working with many different diverse communities, I’ve met and know many, many peaceful and hardworking Muslims.

My adult children regularly travel to London for both work and leisure, I NEVER worry about them, one travels every week to London with no worries or issues.

Unlike some people I don’t confuse ISIS and Islam, just like I don’t consider all Germans to be Nazi, all Irish to be IRA etc etc.

When did we become so intolerant and such utter hypocrites? Historically “we” Brits only owned the commonwealth/empires through battles and war, insisting those people learn English and adopt Christianity because we were “educating” them.

There are good and bad people of all nationalities/religions/colours/creeds and I accept that and wouldn’t write off an entire section of society because a proportion of them are extremists.

Our govt should lead by example, their conduct in our HoC has been reprehensible and some of the language used across the last few years shocking and unacceptable.

Yes, I agree about the lumping together of all Muslims, all Jews, all Christians etc. As we know within the Christian religion there is a huge diversity; Catholic, charismatic, evangelicals, wee free and many many other sub groups. As for grouping people together, I can assure everyone on GN that Mr HPQ although a white male, a major demographic group, he is nothing like Lee Anderson.

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Freya5

Whitewavemark2

Frankly I think that the police have handled all the marches with professionalism. The fact that they have all almost without exception have taken place peacefully shows a skill honed over decades of experience.

Peaceful, only because the protestors have been allowed to get away with promoting terrorism,projecting anti semitic words onto our H of P, shouting jihad, flying banned terrorists flags. Strange how Kahn has rejected more money for policing
from the Government.

Not true, Freya, it's not Khan who has cut the budget.

The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has today announced his intention to invest an additional £151m in policing and crime prevention as he confirms his final draft budget for 2024-25. This means the Mayor has now more than doubled the annual support for policing and crime prevention since he came to office in 2016. By comparison, the previous Mayor cut the police budget in real terms by 28 per cent in the previous eight years, and over the last 14 years the Government has reduced the Met police budget in real terms by 32 per cent.

14 February 2024

www.london.gov.uk/media-centre/mayors-press-release/Mayor-earmarks-additional-%C2%A3151m-to-support-the-Metropolitan-Police-and-keep-Londoners-safe

Joseann

I assume the flares on Tower Bridge yesterday could have dropped on passing vehicles, and ignited them. Do these protesters not use their brains?

Most are protestors with a cause.

A few of them will be the brainless idiots who tag on to any protest, intent on causing trouble and inciting anarchy.

Thatcher used the police in the miners strike. The legacy of mistrust set up then continues,

Freya5 what do you mean ‘it’s strange how Khan has rejected more money for policing from the government’

I assume the flares on Tower Bridge yesterday could have dropped on passing vehicles, and ignited them. Do these protesters not use their brains?

Dickens it doesn’t explain why about 60 were allowed to
surround the home of a MP

Whitewavemark2

Frankly I think that the police have handled all the marches with professionalism. The fact that they have all almost without exception have taken place peacefully shows a skill honed over decades of experience.

Peaceful, only because the protestors have been allowed to get away with promoting terrorism,projecting anti semitic words onto our H of P, shouting jihad, flying banned terrorists flags. Strange how Kahn has rejected more money for policing
from the Government.

Whitewavemark2

Frankly I think that the police have handled all the marches with professionalism. The fact that they have all almost without exception have taken place peacefully shows a skill honed over decades of experience.

I was on a march very many years ago now (totally different issue). Unfortunately, we got close to a cohort who were bent on trouble.

I saw first hand that there are those who - not only want to disrupt, but actually want the Police to react in the way that some are proposing - they want to be arrested, they want violence.

I'm sure the force are well aware of these individuals - that's another reason probably why they are being cautious.

True GrannyGavy seems no problem with blocking the bridge, no problem with From The River To The Sea on
Queen Elizabeth Tower, no problem with MP’s house being surrounded ,

Whitewavemark2

Frankly I think that the police have handled all the marches with professionalism. The fact that they have all almost without exception have taken place peacefully shows a skill honed over decades of experience.

So you are ok with the blocking of Tower Bridge yesterday evening along with the protesters letting off of flares.

Flares by the way are capable of seriously injuring humans and animals including blinding…

Frankly I think that the police have handled all the marches with professionalism. The fact that they have all almost without exception have taken place peacefully shows a skill honed over decades of experience.

Anniebach

Police Forces had no problem with the Miners Strike, they thumped and battered

So you think that would be fine in the current situation?

Personally I think that it wasn't fine then and wouldn't be fine now.

Anniebach

Police Forces had no problem with the Miners Strike, they thumped and battered

Looking at it from a purely political (as opposed to personal) point, the miners' strike and demonstrations was a very domestic affair, unlikely to cause any ripples outside of our shores.

The pro-Palestinian marches on the other hand are being noted world-wide, any action by the Police that might result in riots and violence could trigger reactions that might escalate into serious conflict.

The Police are not the military, they are limited in their powers. Which gives the impression that they are just standing by and allowing these protests unhindered. I don't believe that's the case. We are not privy to the briefings of the Police high-command, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are being urged on the side of caution.

Rosie51

^I'll stick to the wilds of Wales.^ those of us that live in London don't have that choice. We just have to accept parts of our city are unavailable to us week after week.

I remember it well from working there - or should I say trying to work whilst protesters shouting, blowing whistles, banging drums or anything else to make a deafening racket marched past my office. And it’s much worse now.