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Islamaphobia is getting out of control

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Whitewavemark2 Sat 24-Feb-24 07:13:37

We have Braverman and Anderson stirring up the most awful Islamaphobia.

I don’t think that we have ever had British MPs saying such racist and hateful rhetoric since Mosely. They are being backed by the worst sort of editorship. It is so redolent of the 20s and 30s.

Jewish and Christian leaders are calling for it to stop, as well as Tories who see this as a disaster for their party, as it will never ever end well.

Rory Stewart

This idea that “London is in the grip of Islamists” is deluded and it’s awful - an obsession that thrives among a bizarre and dangerous coalition. No conservative MP should ever be spouting this stuff.

Iam64 Tue 05-Mar-24 18:38:29

Starmer and his team have been focussed on ridding the party of the anti semitism Corbyn denied but allowed to fester
That’s why there was no Labour candidate in Rochdale

maddyone Tue 05-Mar-24 18:35:45

the Conservatives are mired in allegations of racism

Yes they are, but all the parties seem to be mired in allegations of racism, but in particular the two main parties, Conservatives and Labour. And now we have the delightful George Galloway as well, probably the biggest racist of them all.

Labradora Tue 05-Mar-24 18:21:28

"blurring the line between criticism of ideas and bigotry against people narrows debate and nurtures hatred."

These aren't my words(I wish I thought that clearly) but I think they help? / are relevant in this debate.

Aveline Tue 05-Mar-24 15:50:44

It certainly made me think

Iam64 Tue 05-Mar-24 14:46:51

On the contrary - you’re saying a lot

Aveline Tue 05-Mar-24 11:08:00

I was sent this. It was initially posted on Twitter. Am saying nothing...

Iam64 Sat 02-Mar-24 20:12:30

It’s feeling like we are living in dangerous times. Polarised views, shouting louder as if that helps anything. I’m not unhappy that Sunak spoke out yesterday but the irony isn’t lost on me about the fact the Conservatives are mired in allegations of racism.

The war in Gaza/Israel is de-stabilising the Middle East and is impacting politics in Northern Europe. We need skilled diplomats. Not people who can’t/wont compromise

Doodledog Sat 02-Mar-24 19:59:47

Iam64

Boz, I hope what will change is that we have a government with a plan and basic ethics

Me too, Iam. If something doesn't happen to change things soon, I fear for the future.

Iam64 Sat 02-Mar-24 19:50:33

Boz, I hope what will change is that we have a government with a plan and basic ethics

Boz Sat 02-Mar-24 18:54:14

The Right Wing reaction is to be expected. If Labour gets in it will have a rough ride. No money; so not much will change.

Anniebach Sat 02-Mar-24 18:47:04

Not surprised after yesterday circus

Iam64 Sat 02-Mar-24 18:42:00

I’ve just read a report of Lee Anderson arriving at a Tory do - Liz truss in attendance along with others who couldn’t be described as one nation tories. Anderson got a standing ovation.
Scary times

Nicenanny3 Sat 02-Mar-24 18:20:09

Well Urmstongran I had to look that one up, I have come across quite a few posters on here who fit this profile but not you I don't think 🤔

Istophobe
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A person who attempts to silence, shame, and demonize anybody who disagrees with them on any subject by calling that person names that end in -ist or -ophobe, i.e. sexist, racist, ageist, xenophobe, homophobe, Islamophobe, etc.
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Ironically, istophobes claim to be the most tolerant and open minded people in their society. However, istophobes will not allow their opponents to disagree on even the smallest point of the istophobes agenda, and will immediately label their opponent as an extremist who practices racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, etc.
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growstuff Sat 02-Mar-24 17:18:33

So what is this political ideology all about?

Urmstongran Sat 02-Mar-24 17:11:59

I have decided that I am Islam-IST-ophobic and I'd like to know if anyone thinks I should not be.

Urmstongran Sat 02-Mar-24 17:05:53

Upon considering an answer it seems best to quote from an internet search ‘explain difference between a Muslim and an Islamist’.

“ At the most basic level, Islam is a major world religion practiced by well over a billion people, and Islamism is a political ideology to which a subset of the broader Islamic community adheres. The importance of this distinction seems fairly clear.

Islam and Islamism: A Primer for Teachers and Students - Foreign Policy Research Institute.

growstuff Sat 02-Mar-24 16:59:45

Urmstongran

Now why do I get the impression you two ladies are trying to set a trap for me to walk into?

I'm not, but I googled the word and there are a number of definitions. I wondered which one you understand.

Urmstongran Sat 02-Mar-24 16:57:14

Now why do I get the impression you two ladies are trying to set a trap for me to walk into?

Glorianny Sat 02-Mar-24 16:37:39

Urmstongran

Surely it’s self explanatory by now? It’s been repeated often enough.

Please repeat it again-humour me.

growstuff Sat 02-Mar-24 15:25:41

Urmstongran

Surely it’s self explanatory by now? It’s been repeated often enough.

What is your understanding of Islamism?

MaizieD Sat 02-Mar-24 14:56:40

Oreo

MaizieD

After various tory MPs have been feeding Islamophobia with little or no comeback from their leader I find his speech a bit weird.

I trust that 'police action' in respect of demos doesn't escalate, for reasons I've given somewhere recently (can't remember which thread). Unless Sunak is actively wanting riots to 'prove' he's right...

I see it more as asking the police to not turn a blind eye to trouble makers or those using hate speech or jumping around on cenotaphs, using laser images on Westminster buildings, wearing anything or shouting anything in support of hamas.
Peaceful protest only.

You see it how you like, Oreo.

I see containment and a situation which could very quickly degenerate into rioting, putting peaceful protestors, bystanders and the police at great risk.

We've seen plenty of riots in the UK and they are not desirable things to encourage. Though, I'm a sure a riot would delight all the right wing bigots and give the already over authoritarian government a grand chance to crack down even more on citizen's freedoms.

Urmstongran Sat 02-Mar-24 14:39:17

And take the bluddy loudhailers off them!

Oreo Sat 02-Mar-24 14:38:16

MaizieD

After various tory MPs have been feeding Islamophobia with little or no comeback from their leader I find his speech a bit weird.

I trust that 'police action' in respect of demos doesn't escalate, for reasons I've given somewhere recently (can't remember which thread). Unless Sunak is actively wanting riots to 'prove' he's right...

I see it more as asking the police to not turn a blind eye to trouble makers or those using hate speech or jumping around on cenotaphs, using laser images on Westminster buildings, wearing anything or shouting anything in support of hamas.
Peaceful protest only.

Urmstongran Sat 02-Mar-24 14:31:23

Surely it’s self explanatory by now? It’s been repeated often enough.

Glorianny Sat 02-Mar-24 14:26:23

Urmstongran

Why are people saying Muslims and Islamists as though interchangeable? Even Anderson makes a distinction.

Would you care to explain?