Bring Shamima Begum Home!

Casdon

I think the question is whether stripping people of their citizenship is legitimate Callistemon, and why is the UK second only to Bahrain in the world for stripping the most people of their citizenship?
There doesn’t seem to be a strategy at international level for what to do with people once this has happened, or what happens to the unfortunate children caught up in the aftermath of it happening to their parents.

I/we can only assume that what the secret service has on SB must have been 100% verifiable for them to remove her U.K. citizenship.

I think the question is whether stripping people of their citizenship is legitimate Callistemon, and why is the UK second only to Bahrain in the world for stripping the most people of their citizenship?
There doesn’t seem to be a strategy at international level for what to do with people once this has happened, or what happens to the unfortunate children caught up in the aftermath of it happening to their parents.

Casdon

GrannyGravy13

I have posted on one of the other threads about my feelings/opinions on SB

I started off on the leave her in the Syrian camp to rot side of the discussion, but the more I read about this and more than a few trips to Google I totally changed my mind.

I have absolutely no doubts that our secret services have intelligence on SB which when shared with the Home Secretary lead to removing her British Citizenship. Technically she could have applied for Bangladeshi Citizenship before she turned 21, but how could she have done that from a Syrian Refugee Camp?

I am adamant that foreign nationals who commit crimes and or acts of terrorism (of any description) on U.K. soil should be deported to their country of birth.

Which leaves me with the dilemma that by my own values we should have our criminals/terrorists back here and that must include SB

That is exactly how I feel too, you said it better.

Just one problem - she is not a British citizen.

That is the whole point; that decision has just been upheld again in a court of law.

GrannyGravy13

I have posted on one of the other threads about my feelings/opinions on SB

I started off on the leave her in the Syrian camp to rot side of the discussion, but the more I read about this and more than a few trips to Google I totally changed my mind.

I have absolutely no doubts that our secret services have intelligence on SB which when shared with the Home Secretary lead to removing her British Citizenship. Technically she could have applied for Bangladeshi Citizenship before she turned 21, but how could she have done that from a Syrian Refugee Camp?

I am adamant that foreign nationals who commit crimes and or acts of terrorism (of any description) on U.K. soil should be deported to their country of birth.

Which leaves me with the dilemma that by my own values we should have our criminals/terrorists back here and that must include SB

That is exactly how I feel too, you said it better.

If it had not gone horribly wrong for her then would she still be happy to live her life over there with her terrorist husband and his terror group ? How do we know that she is not a threat to us ? We don't and for that reason I don't think its worth taking a chance on letting anyone who has had contact with terrorists into our country. We have a right to be safe.

Well, I suppose you get proof after the terrorist attack has occurred. Remember her saying that the Manchester arena attack was justified? Perhaps you’d like to offer her a room at your house?

What is the proof that they would be or engaged in any activity here?

Goldieoldie15

“The old traditionalist Rees Mog ….” Whatever’s he speaks of is an old self-publicist. He usually takes up a high profile issue on which he then pronounces views that are contrary to the government’s position as this plus his assumed patronising and pompous manner manner will give him guaranteed very public exposure. He is more suited to delivering theatre performance than meaningful political opinions.

Absolutely agree!

She is already a 'poster girl/celebrity' and a danger to others of like mind.
Staying where she chose to spend her life seems totally fitting.

I have posted on one of the other threads about my feelings/opinions on SB

I started off on the leave her in the Syrian camp to rot side of the discussion, but the more I read about this and more than a few trips to Google I totally changed my mind.

I have absolutely no doubts that our secret services have intelligence on SB which when shared with the Home Secretary lead to removing her British Citizenship. Technically she could have applied for Bangladeshi Citizenship before she turned 21, but how could she have done that from a Syrian Refugee Camp?

I am adamant that foreign nationals who commit crimes and or acts of terrorism (of any description) on U.K. soil should be deported to their country of birth.

Which leaves me with the dilemma that by my own values we should have our criminals/terrorists back here and that must include SB

I don’t for a moment think that [Jihadi Jack] or Shamima are a threat to the State

And your reasoning is … ?

What about Jack Letts? Labelling him Jahadi Jack sealed his fate. Now held by Kurdish militants and no one cares except his poor parents. I don’t for a moment think he or Shamima are a threat to the State. They were young people who made a horrible mistake and have paid a terrible price There are more dangerous people roaming around our streets everyday, and many who betray their country abroad by their behaviour. Let them come home show some mercy not political stubbornness and fear

JuBut

And I totally agree and support what Dr Watson has said.
I'm getting very sick of 'wokes' and wish more stood up like you

DrWatson has posted incorrect information in an emotive rant in an attempt to uphold their opinion. Do you generally fall for claptrap.
I've not read anything that l consider woke.

maddyone

^Defending Begum makes some people feel good about themselves…………Caring, tolerant, forgiving, and suitably amnesiac about the Manchester bombing and hostages beheaded on video. ^

Well you’re not wrong RosiesMaw.

I find it interesting that you think "people" are "defending" SB. There is a huge difference between defending what she did and feeling that taking her nationality away and leaving her to rot in Syria represents appropriate British Justice. I don't think I have seen anyone defend what she did, all I've seen is people arguing why she should be seen as a) a child b) a victim of trafficking and c) why her responses to difficult questions might seem cold and emotionless and d) why she should come back to the UK and be tried for any offences that she has committed. In the UK even those who plead guilty are allowed legal representation to plead their case, it seems she's been tried by the secret service, found guilty and has been given a life sentence. It doesn't seem like British justice to me.

15 is a child in the U.K. but not if a 15 year commits murder, he/
she knows exactly what he/she is doing.

Defending Begum makes some people feel good about themselves…………Caring, tolerant, forgiving, and suitably amnesiac about the Manchester bombing and hostages beheaded on video.

Well you’re not wrong RosiesMaw.

15 is a child in the UK

Yes, she had one husband. DrWatson I suggest you find some properly researched investigation into what she did and read it. She is not going to have a happy ending whatever happens so let that be enough of a punishment.

DrWatson

For Jane, Anniel, BlueBelle and Mumofbadboys (& girls?), please - ENOUGH of that emotive twaddle about "only a child".

Dictionary definition of 'child' is 'young human being below the age of puberty'. She was what, 15 when she gathered 2 friends and absconded some 2,000 miles to the Turkey/Syria border, such oh-so-typical rebellious teenager behaviour?!!

There within days she'd thrown herself under the first of three 'husbands' to start knocking out kids as presumably ISIL has an eye on future recruiting issues? Her own father, referring to her appeals to return, has pointed out that she has never actually said she's sorry. And he should know?

She's widely reported as having been an ISIL 'enforcer', also that she helped sew bombs into suicide vests - oddly enough, she didn't don one herself? I seem to recall one of her i'views in which she described ISIL's liking for hacking off innocent heads as "unfortunate", which I suppose is true, especially for the victim, of which she doubtless witnessed quite a few.

Various courts and terrorism experts have found that she should NOT be coming back, all probably better informed than Jacob Rees-Mogg, her surprise new-found supporter (a low bar I know). Also I daresay that if any of the 'bleeding hearts' on here actually asked the Kurds, Yazidis, or assorted innocent Syrian & Iraqi Muslims who suffered mass genocide at the bloody hands of this wretch and her repulsive friends, they'd likely suggest that THEY would be pleased to give her a home, six feet under an unmarked patch of sand?

If anyone on here really wants her back, then YOU sign up to have her at YOUR house, if YOU are so convinced she's all OK now. That way, if she has an ISIL flashback and decides to hack off somebody's head one night, you'll be the first to know. Or perhaps JRM would do the honours? Maybe make sure to have the neighbours check on you every day?

She had one husband.
The rest of your rant doesn't bear scrutiny either.

Dogsjj

Can't agree more! I did read if she was allowed back it would open the doors for many others. All to live at public expense, who would employ them!

400+ have been allowed back

Compassion my elbow. Leave her where she is, she is an evil influence.

definitely NOT ..she has no morals and can’t be trusted

It beggars belief that anyone is considering allowing this person back in this country.
I don’t believe she was groomed and she didn’t know what she was doing. At 15 it’s not a mistake to join a murderous organisation. We all make mistakes at 15 years of age but not something as serious as wanting to kill!
Anyone who thinks any different is living in la la land.
She does not deserve our sympathy.

“The old traditionalist Rees Mog ….” Whatever’s he speaks of is an old self-publicist. He usually takes up a high profile issue on which he then pronounces views that are contrary to the government’s position as this plus his assumed patronising and pompous manner manner will give him guaranteed very public exposure. He is more suited to delivering theatre performance than meaningful political opinions.

The sentiments expressed about her are exactly the same sentiments as were expressed about the Rotherham victims.
I was in childrens services at around that time I know what was said about young girls.
Saying 15 year olds know what they are doing is very dangerous for the 15 year olds in your own family. There are many forms of danger.