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Bring Shamima Begum Home!

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Anniel Mon 26-Feb-24 15:22:19

Yesterday I saw a film of the women and their children in a camp in Syria. Apart from two British women there were Canadians, Germans and an Australian woman. It seemed many were too scared to show their faces.
The film horrified me. Their little children are innocent. They have nothing. Then today in The Spectator I read an article which claimed we had no right constitutionally to strip Ms Begum of her citizenship and looking at a camp full of non Syrians living in appalling conditions I have changed my mind. These women all made a dreadful mistake but they are human and if an old traditionalist like William Rees Mog can speak up on Ms Begum’s plight, I realised I have felt uncomfortable purely as a woman that we should bring her home and deal with her. Do any other Grans feel uneasy on behalf of these women? Can she never be forgiven?

Callistemon21 Wed 28-Feb-24 11:22:18

The women from many countries are still there ppresumably because they would be considered a danger to the citizens of their home countries. Many have been allowed to return, including to the UK.

Callistemon21 Wed 28-Feb-24 11:23:14

ninamoore

Were we not 15 years old ourselves once; did we not make the wrong choices? She was obviously groomed and is in need of support and another chance.

Well, I certainly didn't make a choice to join a murderous terrorist group.

Mo65 Wed 28-Feb-24 11:28:49

She was a child when she went. 15 years old. She should be brought home and given help. Even if it means a prison sentence. Humanity's sake.

CarS Wed 28-Feb-24 11:31:16

Her whole family have contributed to her radical ideology and live here in this country Maybe they can all go and live their dream too. Racist? Nope Realist. Its national security we are dealing with here.

Lesley60 Wed 28-Feb-24 11:33:30

Didn’t she say it didn’t bother her to see people beheaded, she hasn’t changed at all she said this as an adult.
She just feels sorry for herself and wants to come back to a better life, I think she deserves to stay where she is but any British children in those camps should come back
After all they are not innocent.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 28-Feb-24 11:33:49

You mean the deradicalising programme that has been shown not to work? Remember the ‘help’ the Tower Bridge killer was given? Humanity my foot.

Desiree1153 Wed 28-Feb-24 11:37:11

No she should stay where she is. What threat would she pose? We don’t know that but she knew and said that the execution of the westerners kidnapped by ISIS was justified and that was after she went into the Syria camp. Is it rough there, I have no doubt it is but I do t believe she has changed at all. It’s a bit convenient that she suddenly was wearing western clothing so she looks more like someone we could relate to. I wouldn’t trust her as far as I can throw her. Judges, much more learned than I am, believe she shouldn’t be let back in either. As far as children are concerned that’s a different matter they are indeed innocent but she hasn’t got any.
If you want to feel sorry, feel sorry for the poor girls that were kidnapped for believing differently (I can’t remember the name), were viscously raped and sold off by ISIS, of whom she was a member. At 15 you know right from wrong. They want to give 16 year olds for heaven’s sake.

tickingbird Wed 28-Feb-24 11:40:19

In reply to posters commenting about mothers and their children in these camps I will only say that I have always found it deplorable that the women who willingly took their children into the most horrific war zone should stay there and suffer. The children deserved better but who knows how traumatised and brainwashed they are now?

I remember seeing a BBC (I think) news crew reporting on SB and touring that camp and the women were sorry they were no longer with ISIS in Iraq. They were hostile and angry that they’d been driven out. One young boy with olive skin and beautiful green eyes, aged about 12, spoke of the day the infidels would be found and SLAUGHTERED. It was chilling.

The man that made a documentary on SB and spent over a year getting to know her stated on UK tv that he had initially agreed she should be allowed to return but after interviewing her many times he had changed his mind and didn’t believe she should be allowed back here. He obviously knows better than anyone on here.

She777 Wed 28-Feb-24 11:40:29

Sit down with a widowed soldiers wife and explain to them why she should come back!

I’m sure when you were 15 years old you knew the difference between right and wrong, I know I did.

Lesley60 Wed 28-Feb-24 11:49:51

Sorry typo I meant the children are the innocent

Blackcat3 Wed 28-Feb-24 11:50:27

She made her bed…. Why should the government ie tax payer bail out stupid people….? Maybe she is an example so others will realise it’s a bad move…..?

Jess20 Wed 28-Feb-24 11:50:40

The situation someone is immersed in will affect their thinking and behaviour deeply. It's probably impossible to know what she may be like if she returns here, which I think she should as she was groomed as a young teenager and we shouldn't forget that. In her current situation, having lost her husband, babies and safety, has witnessed atrocities, she is probably very traumatised and just wants to go home. Who knows what she'll be like if she's allowed back to the UK, maybe she'll be remorseful (doubtful and option where she is currently) or she might want to justify what she's done, posing an ongoing risk to us all. Regardless, is it right to remove citizenship om someone who was technically a child when she .ade a bad decision?

Hawelka Wed 28-Feb-24 11:52:01

I agree. She was a little girl of 15, not able to withstand pressure to go. It’s sad what happened after.
I can’t imagine not feeling sorry for her.
There’s the law and there is empathy.

Lesley60 Wed 28-Feb-24 11:52:16

She777
100% agree with you

LilCatMomma83 Wed 28-Feb-24 12:00:31

Harsh as it may be, having listened to her comments relatively recently in interview (ie at a time when she had supposedly "matured") I am firmly of the view that she remains a danger to the UK and should never be allowed her citizenship. Yes, she may have been young but she appears to retain a deep resentment of the Western ways and still supports terrorists.

JdotJ Wed 28-Feb-24 12:01:51

Leave her there

Nan0 Wed 28-Feb-24 12:18:00

How human when aiding and abetting their husbands to enslave rape murder yazidis, enforce ISIS dress codes and power? These women knew totally what ISIS was about. Absolutely no to their return.Send their parents and relations out to where they are to live with them and help with the children.

Nan0 Wed 28-Feb-24 12:18:53

Total agreement with you

Mo65 Wed 28-Feb-24 12:20:20

She was a child. Look at the boys who killed James Bulger! How many more chances is that boy going to get. He's an adult now, and still committing crimes, but he keeps getting chance after chance. How much does his new identity cost each time.

kenmac4850 Wed 28-Feb-24 12:21:20

Why should the British taxpayers fork out millions for her "legal" aid, when she is not a British Citizen?

Philippa111 Wed 28-Feb-24 12:22:30

Unfortunately she may still hold the ideas that she was brainwashed with and could therefor be a threat to security here.
Someone in her situation may say they no longer have the ideas or behaviours they had previously so that they can be released and repatriated but no one really knows for sure.
I think that is the main problem.
And of course it is easy to hold her up as an example to others who could perhaps be or have been radicalised here.
It’s very sad. Another woman’s life destroyed.

Nannipocci1 Wed 28-Feb-24 12:24:02

Leave her there she is a security risk
No surviving children and a cold callous attitude to uk

Nannapat1 Wed 28-Feb-24 12:28:23

She was a child when she ran away, 15, and therefore could be deemed to have been groomed at the very least. I am very uneasy at her being stripped of her citizenship and the consequences. The UK government alleged that their actions were legal on the grounds that she could apply for Bangladeshi citizenship and therefore would not be stateless but Bangladesh have said she would not be allowed to do so. When she lost her recent appeal the judge claimed that having been the possible victim at 15 of sexual exploitation, trafficking etc had no bearing on the decision to strip her of citizenship.
Yet the the UK government granted asylum to a sex offender who subsequently carried out an acid attack on a woman and her 2 children. I am more than uneasy.

Heliotrope Wed 28-Feb-24 12:29:35

Of course she shouldn’t come back and become some ISIS icon. She knew very well what she was doing, and apparently showed no remorse when shown heads placed in a bin.
And saying she is “our” responsibility is rubbish (who is “our”)
she should be responsible for herself and her actions.. If she did come back she would work the system for all she is worth, she has already cost the British taxpayer £250.000.

cher45 Wed 28-Feb-24 12:29:43

I agree was a school girl let her come home we all make mistakes