Scarlet Blake

One of bits of research I remember is that women who kill or sexually abuse in the way Rose West and Myra Hindley did, usually do so alongside their male accomplice/partner

The main point about these men masquerading as women, which is what they are doing,with or without penises, is that their strength is superior to that of women, thus putting women in female only spaces such as prisons and changing rooms, at the mercy of their bullying and intimidation.
I too am livid that this crime is recorded as a female crime, thus distorting statistics.

So many women remember wanting to play outdoors with boys (usually climbing trees is cited) that it seems to me that this is just what children do - it’s not a ‘girl’ or ‘boy’ thing. Maybe these days, as fewer children have the opportunity to play in streets or woods unsupervised it’s less noticeable, and maybe these days more parents don’t impose such gender stereotypes as they used to, so we don’t hear ‘that’s for girls/boys to do’ as was once common. Certainly there is more by way of practical ’unisex’ clothing that doesn’t make physical exercise more difficult for girls. My fear is that the welcome erosion of gender stereotypes will be put in reverse by the trans lobby and its insistence that children can be ‘in the wrong body’. It’s such a regressive way to look at child development.

In the past the church used torture and the threat of ex-communication to force the public to accept things that were not true. These days, we no longer have the Inquisition, we have the internet which does much the same. Thank heaven for the heretics who refuse to knuckle under to the misguided.
I still think this is all a social experiment, to see how gullible people are.

eazybee

The main point about these men masquerading as women, which is what they are doing,with or without penises, is that their strength is superior to that of women, thus putting women in female only spaces such as prisons and changing rooms, at the mercy of their bullying and intimidation.
I too am livid that this crime is recorded as a female crime, thus distorting statistics.

...that their strength is superior to that of women, thus putting women in female only spaces such as prisons and changing rooms, at the mercy of their bullying and intimidation.

That's the pertinent point.

A study, published in SPORTS MEDICINE, found that men have a greater performance advantage over women in cricket, golf and tennis compared to other sports, and that testosterone blockers taken by TW only minimally reduced the biological advantage.

So in spite of inhibited testosterone production, TW do not lose strength, or certainly not as much as was once believed.

A good enough reason to not incarcerate TW who have a penchant for violence among women.

And a good enough reason to record their violent assaults under a separate category.

I hope you’re right Doodledog about gender stereo types being less powerful. I know we are surrounded by pink/blue etc but none of the young parents I know have ever criticised for things that used to happen. Like -boys don’t cry, be ladylike (to girls obvs).
Despite the volatile transactivists and the nonsense in calling Scarlet Blake a woman I live in hope

Smileless2012

"Trans people affirm that they are 'proud' (TRANS PRIDE etc) to be transgender - so be it" yes Dickens why say they're something they're not .

Not only is that clearer and less confusing Bridie it's also true.

So if that’s true, let’s see all these proud trans standing up and saying they want TW or TM crimes recorded as such and not hiding behind the pretence that they have changed sex.

I have emailed those below asking them
1. If they feel recording crimes by trans women (males) is accurate and truthful.

2.
to support the idea that transwomen crimes should be recorded as transwomen crimes if they can’t bring themselves to support recording truthfully by birth sex and to publicise the fact that they agree or not.
Who do you think will
a) reply first
b) answer question 1 without wriggling
c) answer question 2 without doing what I’ve seen on here and bringing possession or removal of dangly bits into the agreement
d) publicise whether they agree or not.

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Carla, Co Leader of the Green Party should be interesting as they say they are bisexual, (impossible as no one can have 2 sexes) referring to themselves as she but could equally be he

Really interesting challenge there Mollygro, I await their replies with great interest !

Bridie22

Really interesting challenge there Mollygro, I await their replies with great interest !

To be fair, I don’t expect anything, any more than I expect TRA and those who believe TW are women will be in favour of it, though it might be worth asking.

Responses so far.
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Good luck with your response from the Green Party in particular.
Their dedication to gender ideology is well known.
I think the green party co leader is bisexual I.e is attracted to both sexes it's relating to her sexuality not gender identity.

Galaxy

Good luck with your response from the Green Party in particular.
Their dedication to gender ideology is well known.
I think the green party co leader is bisexual I.e is attracted to both sexes it's relating to her sexuality not gender identity.

Yes it says so on the blurb, but even a bisexual person only has one birth sex.

I put the request onto the form suggested on Sunak’s response but was told that the request was blocked.
So much for that then.

Mollygo

I put the request onto the form suggested on Sunak’s response but was told that the request was blocked.
So much for that then.

Was there an explanation of why requests might be blocked - in general?

Do you think some topics are taboo?

Not sure you'd have got much joy from Sunak anyway, he seems always to be rather guarded in his responses to difficult questions.

... come to that, I think many if not most of them can be accused of being circumspect.

Apart from Lee Anderson - who I find quite uncouth and inflammatory with his observations.

If only we had representatives who were open, honest - and civilised.

I don’t know Dickens, unless transwomen is a taboo topic. I have sent a further request to the Conservative Party. That wasn’t blocked, so I’ll wait and see.

I wonder if Sunak couldn't reply as he is an MP, and MPs can only respond to their own constituents. I don't know whether that rule applies to PMs though.

Doodledog

I wonder if Sunak couldn't reply as he is an MP, and MPs can only respond to their own constituents. I don't know whether that rule applies to PMs though.

Sorry - I missed a page, and you'd already addressed this.

M0nica

Bridie I agree no grey areas on sex, but i was referring to the grey area between a transwoman who still has all the male genitalia and hormones, who clearly belongs in a men's prison and trans women who have had surgery to remove their male genitals and have been provided with a female style bladder exit and cosmetic vagina and possibly breast implants, who is taking female hormones.

The grey area is whether, in those cases, the person involved should be in a man's or a woman's prison. I think in this case the number of Transwomen who have had radical surgery and end up in prison, is extremely small and each case must be considered separately. In almost every case I have read of, like with Scarlett Blake, the criminal is still, sexually, a whole male, capable of the male sexual act, so unequivocally, they should be in a male prison.

The grey area is whether, in those cases, the person involved should be in a man's or a woman's prison. I think in this case the number of Transwomen who have had radical surgery and end up in prison, is extremely small and each case must be considered separately.

Good point.

A TW who has had radical surgery and outwardly has the appearance of a female, should not be put in a cell with other males, clearly, as the risk of assault is too high.

Each case on it's specifics.

Ultimately, we might have to build a prison / unit for the trans community - for our protection and theirs.

The ultimate aim, generally speaking (apart from punishment by loss of personal freedom) in prison is to prevent inmates from attacking each other, and for those inmates not to be dehumanised by the staff. The idea, again generally speaking, is for rehabilitation as well as punishment.

I'm thinking out loud, and I might be completely wrong. I'm just attempting to look at a system that treats men, women and the trans community fairly. I'm not, generally, one of the 'lock-them-up-and-throw-away-the-key' brigade (though I might make an exception for Blake because I'm not sure he can ever be rehabilitated safely enough to return to society).

Dickens
Ultimately, we might have to build a prison / unit for the trans community - for our protection and theirs.
I'm thinking out loud, and I might be completely wrong. I'm just attempting to look at a system that treats men, women and the trans community fairly.

* No you’re not wrong.* It has been suggested before by various posters on GN, but the problems raised have always been
1. Cost
2. The suggestion that it’s discriminatory to provide new units for trans when our prisons already need improving.
3. The suggestion that any new unit should automatically be attached to a female prison for the protection of trans-regardless of the needs of the females already incarcerated there.
4. Should violent transwomen be housed in the same trans unit as non-violent transwomen and if not . . .
back we come to the suggestion that transwomen should be housed in a female prison when they are male.

What would be useful to know is
how many non-violent TW commit crimes that result in imprisonment.
And as a study of causes
How many of those so incarcerated claim to have mental health issues, relating to their gender identification

There is a unit already Downview, I cant remember if its attached to the Male or female estate.
It wont really be a unit for transpeople though will it, or it shouldnt be, transmen dont offend in the same way as transwomen from what I can see. Almost as if sex impacts offending behaviour.

Mollygo

Dickens
Ultimately, we might have to build a prison / unit for the trans community - for our protection and theirs.
I'm thinking out loud, and I might be completely wrong. I'm just attempting to look at a system that treats men, women and the trans community fairly.

* No you’re not wrong.* It has been suggested before by various posters on GN, but the problems raised have always been
1. Cost
2. The suggestion that it’s discriminatory to provide new units for trans when our prisons already need improving.
3. The suggestion that any new unit should automatically be attached to a female prison for the protection of trans-regardless of the needs of the females already incarcerated there.
4. Should violent transwomen be housed in the same trans unit as non-violent transwomen and if not . . .
back we come to the suggestion that transwomen should be housed in a female prison when they are male.

What would be useful to know is
how many non-violent TW commit crimes that result in imprisonment.
And as a study of causes
*How many of those so incarcerated claim to have mental health issues, relating to their gender identification*

Yep, I see all the problems this would raise.

how many non-violent TW commit crimes that result in imprisonment.

Good point.

How many people as a total commit crimes that result in a prison sentence - people who are not violent and whose crimes have not involved violence?

Perhaps then we should stop locking-up those whose crimes are comparatively minor and non-violent? I'm sure such criminals could be better punished doing something useful for society?

‘Perhaps then we should stop locking-up those whose crimes are comparatively minor and non-violent? I'm sure such criminals could be better punished doing something useful for society?’
Rory Stewart has been saying this for a long time.

MayBee70

‘Perhaps then we should stop locking-up those whose crimes are comparatively minor and non-violent? I'm sure such criminals could be better punished doing something useful for society?’
Rory Stewart has been saying this for a long time.

!!

It's a more constructive solution. And I'm sure it would ease the overcrowding somewhat.

Justin Webb, Today presenter, has apparently broken the BBC's impartiality rules by referring to transwomen as males on air, in a discussion about International Chess foundation guidelines.
"Transwomen, in other words, males". This comment was reported by a listener who said Mr, Webb was giving his personal view in breach of impartiality requirements.
Apparently his comments 'could only be understood by listeners as meaning that transwomen remain male, without qualification as to gender or biological sex.'
Yes. They do. Fact.
There is more, in the article in today's DT.
I despair.