Scarlet Blake

Yes Dickens, psychopaths can do normal. the Tavistock assessment should have included a full history and assessment. I wonder if it did, or whether it focussed only on his belief he’d been born in the wrong body

He is yet another very bad person but thankfully his adopting a female and a cat persona hasn’t stopped him being sent to a male prison.

* very bad person*

Good description there Oreo.

Iam64
A very bad person indeed, I try not to go down the path of calling every murderer evil, because it’s become a two a penny description.I don’t know if he’s a mental health case or somebody who feels driven to do awful deeds and gives into those feelings.Behind bars now for a very long time and great to see he’s in a male prison.

What this man did to both the cat and his male victim was abhorrent and he deserves to spend the rest of his life in (a men’s) prison.

The issue of men claiming to be women is one I feel very strongly about, so much so that I actually complained to the BBC about their initial coverage of this story when they claimed it was a woman who carried out the attacks. If women roll over and accept that a trans identifying man is a woman it erodes much of what women have had to fight for, especially in relation to so-called ‘safe’ spaces for women.

Exactly grannyactivist. We are in crazy places when violent men can self ID and have their crimes recorded as being committed by a woman
So many women in our age group spent years working for equality
It’s hard not to feel a group of angry, damaged men are trying to silence us

Iam64

Yes Dickens, psychopaths can do normal. the Tavistock assessment should have included a full history and assessment. I wonder if it did, or whether it focussed only on his belief he’d been born in the wrong body

I wonder if it did, or whether it focussed only on his belief he’d been born in the wrong body

Is that what his issue was - the belief he'd been born in the wrong body?

Surely this should call into question the whole 'self ID' debacle?

No psychiatric evaluation so any Tom, Dick or Harry can identify as a woman, access women's spaces and in some cases break the law and possibly have their crime recorded as being committed by a woman.

I don’t know Dickens, maybe I’m making assumptions - never a good idea.

I read he ‘came out’ was the terminology, to his parents at age 12 as trans. He was in some kind of treatment at the tavi age 17. Apologies if I’m jumping to conclusions but he uses female pronouns and presumably too Scarlett as his new name
Whatever, being transgender doesn’t equal being a cat torturing murderer does it

So he had 'treatment' that is currently not recommended for people of his age at a clinic that has proven poor practice.

It seems so
No doubt we will learn more

Bridie I agree no grey areas on sex, but i was referring to the grey area between a transwoman who still has all the male genitalia and hormones, who clearly belongs in a men's prison and trans women who have had surgery to remove their male genitals and have been provided with a female style bladder exit and cosmetic vagina and possibly breast implants, who is taking female hormones.

The grey area is whether, in those cases, the person involved should be in a man's or a woman's prison. I think in this case the number of Transwomen who have had radical surgery and end up in prison, is extremely small and each case must be considered separately. In almost every case I have read of, like with Scarlett Blake, the criminal is still, sexually, a whole male, capable of the male sexual act, so unequivocally, they should be in a male prison.

A woman is not a man with their penis cut off. It is beyond misogyny to suggest that.

I dont mean you in particular Monica, I mean the whole idea that that is what a woman is, is mired in misogyny.

Galaxy

A woman is not a man with their penis cut off. It is beyond misogyny to suggest that.

But it is often suggested.
Implying that all women are men with a penis cut off.

Do not misunderstands me. I am not saying a woman is a man, less penis. What I am talking about is what prison a man without male genitalia and taking hormones should be placed in - and I come to no conclusion - because, essentially, they fail the test for both men's and women's prisons.

All I am doing is recognising that there will be some difficult cases

No difficulty if it’s made clear from the outset that if you commit a crime, you will be housed in a prison which matches your birth sex.
If it’s not made clear, we will be spending endless money on cases being argued depending on the level of equipment possessed by the criminal.
Maybe if criminals feel there should be some leniency, non violent TW should be housed in a separate unit in the male prison,
but males in male prisons and females in female prisons.

According to the Telegraph Blake’s crimes will be recorded as committed by a woman, thus making it appear that (as we have been told on threads on here) that women are capable of the sort of crimes that are typically male, and eroding the argument that the sexes should be housed separately in jail.

It is unconscionable.

Oh no, there needs to be a protest!

It is unconscionable.
Oh it truly is! There has to be a backlash against this insanity. If the word woman is lost (at least until we get to properly reclaim it) then crimes must be recorded as male sex or female sex. I know there has been an increasing use of the word female by trans identified males but that has to stop. Nobody on this earth has ever changed their sex, it's immutable.
I saw a post on twitter/x yesterday where a poster listed 6 notoriously evil women to demonstrate women can be monsters too. One was Lizzie Borden! When you have to go back to 1892 to dredge up a truly awful event it shows there aren't that many women committing these crimes. Two others were Rose West and Myra Hindley who are notorious. Contrast that with the number of male serial abusers and killers who are unknown names to the general public.

Iam64

I don’t know Dickens, maybe I’m making assumptions - never a good idea.

I read he ‘came out’ was the terminology, to his parents at age 12 as trans. He was in some kind of treatment at the tavi age 17. Apologies if I’m jumping to conclusions but he uses female pronouns and presumably too Scarlett as his new name
Whatever, being transgender doesn’t equal being a cat torturing murderer does it

Thanks - I know nothing of his background, just read about his 'obsession'.

Maybe such people don't give out 'clues' that anyone can pick up on. Especially if the focus is on gender identity.

Doodledog

According to the Telegraph Blake’s crimes will be recorded as committed by a woman, thus making it appear that (as we have been told on threads on here) that women are capable of the sort of crimes that are typically male, and eroding the argument that the sexes should be housed separately in jail.

It is unconscionable.

I feel quite a rage about it - because we are so powerless to do anything.
So many people, organisations and companies have signed-up to this 'inclusivity'. Daring to admit that you believe sex is immutable can land you in trouble. We have allowed the language and science to be changed by a minority of people who demand that we cater their need to know how they feel about themselves... their need to know who they are. It's all about feelings. These are intangibles, but are being treated as if they are an exact science.

Callistemon21

Oh no, there needs to be a protest!

Quite.

We know that there are women capable of gross, unspeakable crimes (Rose West), but historically they are few, and far between.

Recording Blake's crimes, and other TW who've committed similar crimes as those committed by a woman, is going to make a nonsense of the statistics.

There must be a separate register.

Dickens

Doodledog

According to the Telegraph Blake’s crimes will be recorded as committed by a woman, thus making it appear that (as we have been told on threads on here) that women are capable of the sort of crimes that are typically male, and eroding the argument that the sexes should be housed separately in jail.

It is unconscionable.

I feel quite a rage about it - because we are so powerless to do anything.
So many people, organisations and companies have signed-up to this 'inclusivity'. Daring to admit that you believe sex is immutable can land you in trouble. We have allowed the language and science to be changed by a minority of people who demand that we cater their need to know how they feel about themselves... their need to know who they are. It's all about feelings. These are intangibles, but are being treated as if they are an exact science.

Callistemon21

Oh no, there needs to be a protest!

Quite.

We know that there are women capable of gross, unspeakable crimes (Rose West), but historically they are few, and far between.

Recording Blake's crimes, and other TW who've committed similar crimes as those committed by a woman, is going to make a nonsense of the statistics.

There must be a separate register.

We know that there are women capable of gross, unspeakable crimes (Rose West), but historically they are few, and far between.

Exactly! As I said one twitter poster went all the way back to Lizzie Borden, I think that speaks volumes!

Rosie51

Dickens

Doodledog

According to the Telegraph Blake’s crimes will be recorded as committed by a woman, thus making it appear that (as we have been told on threads on here) that women are capable of the sort of crimes that are typically male, and eroding the argument that the sexes should be housed separately in jail.

It is unconscionable.

I feel quite a rage about it - because we are so powerless to do anything.
So many people, organisations and companies have signed-up to this 'inclusivity'. Daring to admit that you believe sex is immutable can land you in trouble. We have allowed the language and science to be changed by a minority of people who demand that we cater their need to know how they feel about themselves... their need to know who they are. It's all about feelings. These are intangibles, but are being treated as if they are an exact science.

Callistemon21

Oh no, there needs to be a protest!

Quite.

We know that there are women capable of gross, unspeakable crimes (Rose West), but historically they are few, and far between.

Recording Blake's crimes, and other TW who've committed similar crimes as those committed by a woman, is going to make a nonsense of the statistics.

There must be a separate register.

We know that there are women capable of gross, unspeakable crimes (Rose West), but historically they are few, and far between.

Exactly! As I said one twitter poster went all the way back to Lizzie Borden, I think that speaks volumes!

Exactly! As I said one twitter poster went all the way back to Lizzie Borden, I think that speaks volumes!

That Twitter poster quite clearly did not understand the technique of whataboutism and counter-accusations!

But, to be serious - I don't doubt Blake had 'issues' with his gender identity at an early age as, it seems now, do thousands of other young people. And neither do I doubt that for some, it is a crisis-point in their lives. To add a personal note here, I too well remember being very dissatisfied with my own developing body at puberty because of the restrictions it imposed on me in terms of the expectations other people decided was appropriate for the behaviour of a "young lady". I was a pupil at a co-ed boarding school and, back in the 50s, there were very definite boundaries applied to the behaviour, dress and deportment between the boys and girls. It sounds trite, but at the time, the resentment was huge and I very definitely felt I was 'in the wrong body' and hated it because of that resentment. There wasn't, then, the vocabulary nor opportunity to express the discontent and that made it the more unbearable.

I mention this only so that no-one thinks I'm making light of young people's problems with their identity. In fact, I believe in some ways it's worse now, even though society is more liberal-minded because the media and entertainment world's focus on appearance / 'beauty' is so intense that it's hardly surprising some of our youth are concentrated so intensely on their bodies.

However, I do doubt the validity of the reasoning which tells us that any man can self-ID as a woman and that, in so doing, becomes a woman. I believe that is dangerous nonsense.

But those who insist that 'TW are women' will disagree undoubtedly and call the questioning and debate around the matter transphobic. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if there are some hard-core misogynists who'd go along with this purely to be able to throw in a 'what-about-the-wimmin' when the subject of male violence comes up. As they inevitably always do.

I’m one of many girls who told mum at age 8-9 I wished I was a boy. I disliked frocks, was much happier in shorts or trews (🌞) and had more fun cycling, fishing, exploring with the boys. Mum wisely reminded me we girls had choices and soon I’d be choosing those new red shoes I wanted. My 5 year old grandson likes nothing more than wearing a princess frock with his 5 year old cousin (girl) and being Disney princesses. I’m not minimising or dismissing the difficulties trans people face but I do feel concern about the exponential rise in children identifying as opposite gender or as cats