George Galloway is the MP for Rochdale

Oreo

Glorianny
Just about all the hamas Palestinians that took part in the massacre on Oct 7th were young men, many of them teenagers as well, unbelievably.They knew exactly what they were doing and hugely enjoyed it.
You seemed to have changed tack now and say it was only terrorists not a government, but hamas are called terrorists by lots of countries and at the same time are the effective government of Gaza ( not effective at the moment!)
They did have a safe place to live, Gaza! And according to those interviewed had good lives until hamas provoked Israel into acting.Of course if hamas had used the masses of money going into Gaza for the benefit of all the people there their lives would have been even better.
You know all this am sure, but constantly twist it to suit your own views.

I'm not twisting anything I have always said that there are two Hamas organisations. One terrorist and one governmental.
The governmental part remains responsible for the administration of Gaza although it is not elected.

Please. post evidence of "a safe place to live". Would you be happy living somewhere where your movements were restricted, you were unable to leave, you were unable. to meet relatives, unable sometimes to live with the person you were married to? And would you be happy to see your children, frustrated with poverty and restrictions recruited by a terrorist organisation because they simply wanted to live a free life?

It isn't just my views
Amnesty says Palestinians are treated badly and subjected to an apartheid regime.
The UN passed this in 2022. Imagine if it had been acted on all the slaughter that would have been prevented
www.un.org/unispal/document/the-right-of-the-palestinian-people-to-self-determination-ga-resolution-a-res-77-208/

How could anyone have voted for this idiot

Oreo

Hellogirl1

As an ex Rochdalian, the best MP they ever had was Cyril Smith, despite him since being outed as lass than "nice".

Less than nice?!!

Hello girl - he sexually abused and terrorised boys. Police charged him. ‘Men in suits from London’ stopped the cps from prosecuting. The cid team were told if ever the spoke about their (excellent) investigation they’d sacked and prosecuted for breach of official secrets act.

This discussion is irrelevant to Smith but I can’t let your comment go unchallenged

Astonishing, Hellogirl!!

He's bad news!

For 'HelloGirl' -- indeed, HELLO???? Missed all the news for about 40 years?? Smith was a high-level pervert, kiddy-fiddler of the Rochdale parish, and benefitted from a substantial and massive cover-up to prevent the unsavoury news getting out.

PLUS - he gave a speech stating that asbestos was no great threat, it was later revealed that by pure coincidence he owned a tranche of shares in a major asbestos company, and his speech closely resembled what they had suggested he say.

Lovely chap though, life and soul of many a political rally, always willing to be photographed with small children on his knee . . . . especially little boys . . . .

I'm not twisting anything I have always said that there are two Hamas organisations. One terrorist and one governmental.
The governmental part remains responsible for the administration of Gaza although it is not elected.
The people who rule are the Hamas who started this latest conflict. Convenient that the other Hamas that you talk of aren’t able to control the Hamas who are in charge.

Yes Cossy, I repeat, most of us would surely like all that conflict to stop. And there are also many other terrorist, political or tribal spats going on round the world, shoved off the news by the Gaza problems.

HOWEVER, for the umpteenth flipping TIME, absolutely NOBODY, that's a zero quantity, nil, nada, nowt (etc) of the people heading up Hamas, the Iranian despots presently claiming to be running credible elections (haha), and certainly not the Israeli Govt could give two hoots (or as many hoots as you like) as to WHAT demos are happening here, round Europe, in the USA, or anywhere else.

Anyone taking part may well be making their own conscience feel a bit better, but it's a total waste of time, fuel, and/or bus and train tickets, and for the police having to patrol such things.

The ONLY realistic solution there is the '2-state' one, with Palestinians living peacefully alongside Jews as they have for very long periods throughout history. Jews have every right to be there, check the foundation of Jerusalem several thousand years ago, it's a big clue. As to how they reach that point, well, all letters of suggestion would be welcome. Send a few to the UN, who are clueless and powerless on so many fronts. But waving Palestinian or Israeli flags in central London, or anywhere else, has about as much chance of success as say, Thames Water's chances of fixing the leaks in the London sewerage system with a packet of Blu-Tack?

I saw an excellent ch 4 interview tonight’s news, with a Hamas leader. He insisted most of those killed on 7/10 were killed by Israelis and minimised, denied, deflected and avoided straight answers
I was relieved to see he was challenged as hard as the Israeli representatives have been. Ch4 remains imo the best news

I wish I’d seen that Iam, but unfortunately I didn’t. It would have been very interesting. I don’t often watch Ch 4 news, no particular reason, we just tend to watch BBC.

I have been very disappointed with Labour's stance on the Gaza situation and it has obviously had an effect on voting patterns.

Oreo Have you read the post by Glorianny re Rochdale's population? I would like to think that it is not just Muslims who care about what is happening in Gaza.

I am a bit agog at how suddenly voting is sending a message. Nobody paid any attention to the message of Brexit, I am pretty sure no one will be trying to respond to 'the message' if trump is elected.

Eloethan

I have been very disappointed with Labour's stance on the Gaza situation and it has obviously had an effect on voting patterns.

Oreo Have you read the post by Glorianny re Rochdale's population? I would like to think that it is not just Muslims who care about what is happening in Gaza.

Can't really understand why a war,thousands of miles away should have an effect on our elections,that is very, very worrying. Galloway is a destructive, manipulative individual. In it for his own ends.

It isn't difficult to understand if no party will roundly condemn the slaughter and deliberate cleansing of a population then people will vote for the person who does. It shows how widespread the concern about Gaza is. It crosses religious and political boundaries.

"HOWEVER, for the umpteenth flipping TIME, absolutely NOBODY, that's a zero quantity, nil, nada, nowt (etc) of the people heading up Hamas, the Iranian despots presently claiming to be running credible elections (haha), and certainly not the Israeli Govt could give two hoots (or as many hoots as you like) as to WHAT demos are happening here, round Europe, in the USA, or anywhere else. "

I don't think anyone contributing to this thread or in deed anyone on the marches thinks it will. The only thing protest marches do is give the public an opportunity to register their discontent with regard to current govt policy. That's why they are seen as an important plank of our democratic rights. It is interesting that we are seeing a change in position of our own political parties and also in the US. Did you hear what Kamala Harris said? Elections are coming up for the UK and the US, public opinion affects votes and for every person on a march, politicians know there are many more sitting at home who agree with them. Now, although the UK is pretty unimportant these days, the govt has stuck by the stance that Biden has taken and as Israel is totally dependent on the US for military aid (amongst other things) the US does has power. Anyone who thinks that protest marches are of no importance should thing about why they are banned in Russia, China and places like North Korea.

foxie48

"HOWEVER, for the umpteenth flipping TIME, absolutely NOBODY, that's a zero quantity, nil, nada, nowt (etc) of the people heading up Hamas, the Iranian despots presently claiming to be running credible elections (haha), and certainly not the Israeli Govt could give two hoots (or as many hoots as you like) as to WHAT demos are happening here, round Europe, in the USA, or anywhere else. "

I don't think anyone contributing to this thread or in deed anyone on the marches thinks it will. The only thing protest marches do is give the public an opportunity to register their discontent with regard to current govt policy. That's why they are seen as an important plank of our democratic rights. It is interesting that we are seeing a change in position of our own political parties and also in the US. Did you hear what Kamala Harris said? Elections are coming up for the UK and the US, public opinion affects votes and for every person on a march, politicians know there are many more sitting at home who agree with them. Now, although the UK is pretty unimportant these days, the govt has stuck by the stance that Biden has taken and as Israel is totally dependent on the US for military aid (amongst other things) the US does has power. Anyone who thinks that protest marches are of no importance should thing about why they are banned in Russia, China and places like North Korea.

I agree foxie48

Yes - protest marches have an impact.

Glorianny

It isn't difficult to understand if no party will roundly condemn the slaughter and deliberate cleansing of a population then people will vote for the person who does. It shows how widespread the concern about Gaza is. It crosses religious and political boundaries.

I can only assume that those who voted for this vile specimen of a man had no knowledge of his contacts with mass murders (Sadam Hussein, Hamas etc.,) and were willing to endorse a misogynistic anti-Semite.

He is an anti-establishment one trick pony, I heard on the news this morning that he has never been re-elected in his two previous constituencies, so being a useless MP can also be added to his despicable CV.

Glorianny

It isn't difficult to understand if no party will roundly condemn the slaughter and deliberate cleansing of a population then people will vote for the person who does. It shows how widespread the concern about Gaza is. It crosses religious and political boundaries.

Condemning it is easy. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t, but making the participants Israeli or either branch of Hamas put a stop to it is something else

The peace/ceasefire talks have broken down, mainly because Hamas refuses to give a list of the remaining hostages…

GrannyGravy13

The peace/ceasefire talks have broken down, mainly because Hamas refuses to give a list of the remaining hostages…

I don’t think that they know quite frankly. I bet that they are now so fragmented and we assume small in numbers if Israeli reports are to be believed that they are in no position to know anything.

How the hostages families are feeling, I can’t begin to imagine.

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny

It isn't difficult to understand if no party will roundly condemn the slaughter and deliberate cleansing of a population then people will vote for the person who does. It shows how widespread the concern about Gaza is. It crosses religious and political boundaries.

I can only assume that those who voted for this vile specimen of a man had no knowledge of his contacts with mass murders (Sadam Hussein, Hamas etc.,) and were willing to endorse a misogynistic anti-Semite.

He is an anti-establishment one trick pony, I heard on the news this morning that he has never been re-elected in his two previous constituencies, so being a useless MP can also be added to his despicable CV.

He has no idea what he really stands for, has he.
He goes from party to party, jumping on the latest populist bandwagon, strutting into Parliament and taking the Oath of Allegiance, meaningless words to him.
His only allegiance is to himself, his self-publicity and the money he can make, certainly not to his constituents.

GrannyGravy13

The peace/ceasefire talks have broken down, mainly because Hamas refuses to give a list of the remaining hostages…

Mmmm, it really does depend on where you read about this. Another view is that Netanyahu introduced a new condition to delay things. Hamas has said it needs a ceasefire in order to communicate with the different groups who are holding hostages. Who do you believe? tbh I don't trust Hamas or the Netanyahu govt to tell the truth, that's why we need international journalists in Gaza.

Foxie48
Exactly. I don’t trust the Netanyahu govt or either of Glorianny’s branches of Hamas.