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Pro Palestinian supporters destroy painting of Lord Balfour

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GrannyGravy13 Fri 08-Mar-24 16:12:27

This happened today at Trinity College, Cambridge University.

Totally unacceptable and unjustifiable.

maddyone Sun 10-Mar-24 23:47:53

All deaths in war are horrible and cruel, wherever the war takes place, be it Gaza, Ukraine, Cambodia, Sudan, Syria, or a multitude of other places. But the number that sticks in my mind is six million. Six million Jews murdered by the Nazis. And no one protested.

Glorianny Sun 10-Mar-24 23:21:04

flappergirl

Glorianny

maddyone

Hamas are a brutal organisation. Women’s rights are pretty much nil in Gaza.

But it is Israeli bombing killing them and Israeli imprisonment where they are raped.
This has been declared a "war on women"
www.greenpeace.org/mena/en/in-solidarity-with-palestinian-women-this-international-womens-day/#:~:text=While%20progress%20toward%20gender%20equality,

It is always women who suffer most when men wage war. The bombing of Gaza is utterly vile and indefensible but for god's sake don't try to tell me that Hamas are a beacon of light and hope for women. They are a misogynistic group of men with extreme cultural (not Islamic) views. You would be doing women a great injustice to suggest otherwise.

Whatever Hamas are it is Israel who has enabled them to develop and expand. Where you have a people unable to leave a certain area, only permitted limited amounts of water and electricity and subjected to assaults by the military they will necessarily turn to the organisation they hope will free them. Palestinians have been let down by the other countries of the world and Israel has continued to discriminate against them.
During the conflict women are not just being killed by the bombing there is evidence that IDF troops have executed them after they have surrendered along with their children. There is also evidence of rape by Israeli soldiers.
www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against

Trying to raise the faults of Hamas is simply an attempt to minimise the crimes of Israel

flappergirl Sun 10-Mar-24 21:16:03

Glorianny

maddyone

Hamas are a brutal organisation. Women’s rights are pretty much nil in Gaza.

But it is Israeli bombing killing them and Israeli imprisonment where they are raped.
This has been declared a "war on women"
www.greenpeace.org/mena/en/in-solidarity-with-palestinian-women-this-international-womens-day/#:~:text=While%20progress%20toward%20gender%20equality,

It is always women who suffer most when men wage war. The bombing of Gaza is utterly vile and indefensible but for god's sake don't try to tell me that Hamas are a beacon of light and hope for women. They are a misogynistic group of men with extreme cultural (not Islamic) views. You would be doing women a great injustice to suggest otherwise.

Oreo Sun 10-Mar-24 21:15:30

Elegran don’t add to the Palestinian PR machine when there are so many Israeli hostages still held prisoner, innocent victims, many have been killed already but there could be still 100.Spare a thought for them and their families and for all the over 1,000 murdered and raped, many of them children and inside their own homes.

Elegran Sun 10-Mar-24 21:06:24

Here is a link to interactive charts published online by the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs showing Palestinians and Israelis who were killed or injured since 2008 in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt) and Israel in the context of the occupation and conflict.

www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

"The figures below represent the number of Palestinians and Israelis who were killed or injured since 2008 in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt) and Israel in the context of the occupation and conflict. The large number of civilian casualties has required various types of interventions by humanitarian actors, with many incidents raising concerns over violation of international law and lack of accountability.

Casualties in the context of the ongoing hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel, which started on 7 October 2023, will only be added to this page once these incidents have been independently verified. Until then, reported figures on those are included in our Flash Updates and Snapshots. By contrast, data on casualties in the West Bank and Israel in other contexts is updated regularly beyond 7 October 2023.

Click, tap or hover over the charts to interact with the data; you can apply filters by time, area, context and affiliation of the casualties.

Anniebach Sun 10-Mar-24 21:00:55

10,582 Ukraine casualties since 2022

Elegran Sun 10-Mar-24 20:53:07

Single attacks whose large numbers can be counted are more easily remembered than the deaths of two or three people at a time over years, or than a continued offensive that kills a total of 29,000 to 31,000 people over a few months.

Louella12 Sun 10-Mar-24 18:56:56

Anniebach

One killing took place 20 years ago ?

52 years ago Black September a palastine terrorist group broke into an Olympic village.And murdered the Israeli Olympic team,

Oh my, yes.

How horrifying was that

Anniebach Sun 10-Mar-24 18:48:16

One killing took place 20 years ago ?

52 years ago Black September a palastine terrorist group broke into an Olympic village.And murdered the Israeli Olympic team,

Elegran Sun 10-Mar-24 18:24:22

Is the exact day more important than the deliberate and face-to-face killing of two civilian women who were no threat to their killers - and one of which took place twenty years ago, long before Hamas meted out anything to anyone. These are just two examples of the brutality suffered by Palestinians over the years, in the course of the Israeli takeover and colonisation of Palestinian homes and lands, yet still Palestinians are blamed as though they invented the aggression.

In Britain, we have security of tenure of our homes. How would we re-act if we were evicted from the place we and our ancestorss had lived for generations because it was claimed by incomers from all around the globe, our homes bulldozed flat (and ourselves if we tried to resist) our crops ploughed into the ground and our village illegally filled with colonists? If you think that it is OK for that to happen to Palestinians, then you should not complain should legislation be passed in the UK that evicts a Briton from their home should an immigrant need it. Would you agree to that? Even if it was YOUR home?

We are appalled that in the US that was done to First Nation people. Why are we not appalled that in Palestine it was/is done to Palestinians, and will be done in the future? In both cases, those doing the colonising assumed that they were/are the only people with any rights to the land, Americans having "bought" land from tribes who had no concept of owning land, and the Israelis having been "granted" right of settlement on land already setttled by people whose rights and opinions had not been consulted.

Glorianny Sun 10-Mar-24 13:16:50

maddyone

Hamas are a brutal organisation. Women’s rights are pretty much nil in Gaza.

But it is Israeli bombing killing them and Israeli imprisonment where they are raped.
This has been declared a "war on women"
www.greenpeace.org/mena/en/in-solidarity-with-palestinian-women-this-international-womens-day/#:~:text=While%20progress%20toward%20gender%20equality,

Joseann Sun 10-Mar-24 10:55:20

Flags and placards are a nuisance, but I guess it's a visual means of getting messages across.
When we’ve reached the stage of Palestinian flags draped over lampposts down the streets of London, it’s gone too far.
My DGD attends a school in one such London Borough, made up of a large population of muslims. The Palestine flags have been removed because they obscured drivers' views and distracted them. I think it was tfl who demanded this on grounds of endangering passengers and pedestrians, and the mayor or whoever could hardly refuse.

maddyone Sun 10-Mar-24 10:35:30

Hamas are a brutal organisation. Women’s rights are pretty much nil in Gaza.

maddyone Sun 10-Mar-24 10:33:55

Yes, those stories are very sad and probably illegal.
The murdering of 1,200 people on 7/10 was also very sad and definitely illegal. So were the multiple rapes on that day.

Galaxy Sun 10-Mar-24 10:31:31

International womans day was two days ago. I read lots of accounts on that day of the utter brutality meted out by Hamas on women.

Elegran Sun 10-Mar-24 10:28:46

Today is International Women's Day. Read these two articles about two women who were killed by Israeli armed forces in Palestine, one in 2003, the other two decades later.

Palestinian American journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, was killed by a single bullet into her head while she was reporting from the occupied West Bank city of Jenin. Several independent investigations, including one by the United Nations, concluded that she was shot by Israeli forces, describing the shooting as “targeted” and the bullet that killed her as “well-aimed.”

American peace activist Rachel Corrie was nonviolently protesting the demolition of a Palestinian family’s home in Gaza. She was wearing a fluorescent orange jacket with reflective stripes and had been on the scene for several hours, and was standing on a mound of earth so as to be visible. An Israeli soldier drove a bulldozer over her, and moved several feet forward before backing off, effectively crushing her twice.

theintercept.com/2022/07/13/israel-rachel-corrie-shireen-abu-akleh-killings/

edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/23135/inquiry-into-death-of-rachel-corrie The 64 signatories to this early-day motion include Jeremy Corbyn and Lindsay Hoyle, (and Glenda Jackson) among others..

Anniebach Sun 10-Mar-24 09:37:49

The police denied the arrest of the man was for his criticism of
Hamas, - they would say that wouldn’t they

Stansgran Sun 10-Mar-24 09:04:09

I care more for the damage of an artists work. I dislike intensely the religious doctrine in the Middle East.

Freya5 Sun 10-Mar-24 08:40:11

merlotgran

^The police in London are Islamist sympathisers.^

Nonsense!

So why didnt they arrest those carrying a banned flag, come on tell us.

Rosie51 Sat 09-Mar-24 23:57:08

I suggest that someone above the ordinary police on the street have instructed them to go easy on them. you wouldn't be wrong. Thank goodness my son is no longer a uniformed office patrolling our streets. Who knew I'd need to give so many thanks when he moved into the detective arena!

Anniebach Sat 09-Mar-24 23:54:11

A non story ? Not the truth Glorianny was it ?

Jews must be so fearful

maddyone Sat 09-Mar-24 23:40:35

Glorianny

The man was arrested for assault because there was an affray. He was later de-arrested when the police viewed the film footage. It's a non-story.

The man was arrested because a group of the marchers didn’t like the placard he was carrying and set about him. That’s why there was an affray! Then he was arrested for assault, but guess what, when the footage was viewed he didn’t assault anyone! So why weren’t those who actually caused the affray arrested? I suggest that someone above the ordinary police on the street have instructed them to go easy on them. That’s why!

Anniebach Sat 09-Mar-24 23:03:49

If not sympathisers then fear ?

merlotgran Sat 09-Mar-24 23:00:40

The police in London are Islamist sympathisers.

Nonsense!

Galaxy Sat 09-Mar-24 22:52:24

Ha the use of the word non story is always telling.