Is there anyone who still thinks that Israel's actions in Gaza are justifiable?

Urmstongran

^It may be skewed to the Palestinian viewpoint^ blimey, just a bit!
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Do you read it?

It was the only news on the Israel/Gaza situation we could get in New Zealand. We recognised it was extremely biased, but we watched it every day just to get whatever news we could. We were in a rental and the TV coverage was basic and we never bought newspapers because we were busy doing childcare. We also got a bit of news online. We only ever saw one Palestinian protest out there too. There were a few people with flags, but no disruption. We drove past them as they were on the pavement. Traffic wasn’t stopped.

Suella Braverman does. Speaking this morning on LBC this morning with Nick Ferrari:

Suella Braverman has said she "strongly rebuts" the suggestion that Israel is breaching international law in its war with Hamas, or that it is committing genocide in Gaza.

growstuff

Urmstongran

It may be skewed to the Palestinian viewpoint blimey, just a bit!
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Do you read it?

No because it’s a news channel!
And yes I do watch it sometimes.

Urmstongran

growstuff

Urmstongran

It may be skewed to the Palestinian viewpoint blimey, just a bit!
🤣

Do you read it?

No because it’s a news channel!
And yes I do watch it sometimes.

Al Jazeera isn't just a news channel. It also has a website. I hardly ever watch TV, so I read the website.

To each his own. 😁

To Whitewavemark2

I have been trying my bestest to pay attention to your comments, really I have and I promise to pay bestest attention again, too - if only you would not prevaricate and answer just one question:

what should Israel have done after the attack on them by Hamas?

Urmstongran

To each his own. 😁

Indeed! Not sure why that's a source of amusement, but (as you say) each to her own - I guess some things amuse some people.

Blimey. You take umbrage very speedily!
My smiley face just indicated our choices growstuff - the written word or Al Jezeera on tv.

Candelle You didn't directly address this to me but I will answer, Netanyahu should have read Biden's message and taken note of what he said but he didn't. If he had he would have been able to attack Hamas, negotiate with more success and most importantly, for a country that relies on military aid from other countries, keep the support and sympathy of the world. Restraint would have been a more effective weapon but that has never been Israel's (or Netanyahu's) style.

"But I caution this: While you feel that rage, don’t be consumed by it.

After 9/11, we were enraged in the United States. And while we sought justice and got justice, we also made mistakes."

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/10/18/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-october-7th-terrorist-attacks-and-the-resilience-of-the-state-of-israel-and-its-people-tel-aviv-israel/

Candelle I’d like to know the answer to your question too, but you will not get an answer because they haven’t got an answer, or they possibly think that there should have been no response.

After 9/11, we were enraged in the United States. And while we sought justice and got justice, we also made mistakes.

The problem with that advice is that people only learn from their own mistakes and not from that of others.
People also may feel sympathy, anger even, at what happens to others but if it happens to you, your loved ones or your people, then rage may be the overwhelming feeling and a quest for justice or revenge.

What happened on 9/11 shocked so many of us. It was a horrendous but instant attack by terrorists on innocent people.
What happened on 7th October last year was medieval barbarity, murdering babies and children as well as adults in a tortuous prolonged way and taking others hostage.

I don't know what is in the minds of these people and hope I never know.

I think many have lost sight of that with what has happened since.

Posts here criticising Israel repeatedly say ‘their actions will
cause more to support Hamas’ , could it not be the same for
Israel?

Callistemon21

^After 9/11, we were enraged in the United States. And while we sought justice and got justice, we also made mistakes^.

The problem with that advice is that people only learn from their own mistakes and not from that of others.
People also may feel sympathy, anger even, at what happens to others but if it happens to you, your loved ones or your people, then rage may be the overwhelming feeling and a quest for justice or revenge.

What happened on 9/11 shocked so many of us. It was a horrendous but instant attack by terrorists on innocent people.
What happened on 7th October last year was medieval barbarity, murdering babies and children as well as adults in a tortuous prolonged way and taking others hostage.

I don't know what is in the minds of these people and hope I never know.

I think many have lost sight of that with what has happened since.

And the wests reaction to 9/11 achieved absolutely nothing other than making it worse for innocent people living in Iraq and Afghanistan. I’m not saying that 9/11 should have been ignored but some battles can’t be fought with weapons alone.

growstuff

Urmstongran

growstuff

Urmstongran

It may be skewed to the Palestinian viewpoint blimey, just a bit!
🤣

Do you read it?

No because it’s a news channel!
And yes I do watch it sometimes.

Al Jazeera isn't just a news channel. It also has a website. I hardly ever watch TV, so I read the website.

Al Jazeera is based in Qatar so we can assume it is the main source of pro Hamas propaganda.

Over 200 thousand civilians died during the Iraq war.

Anniebach

Posts here criticising Israel repeatedly say ‘their actions will
cause more to support Hamas’ , could it not be the same for
Israel?

Annie, I feel sure that the Israeli soldiers fighting in Gaza will be motivated by revenge. They will have had members of their own families, their friends, or the families of people they know, or friends of people they know, murdered in a bestial and medieval manner, that defies imagination. I’m sure that must motivate these soldiers, who are mostly young and just beginning their adult lives. They will have been brought up being told to be aware of their surroundings because of the frequent terrorist attacks, they have been raised knowing that when the rockets are sent over from Gaza daily, they must run quickly to their safe rooms, and like my grandchildren in New Zealand have to participate in earthquake drills every term, and children at schools in Britain have to participate in fire drills every term, Israeli children will be used to participating in terrorism drills each term. The barbaric attack on 7/10 did not come out of nowhere, Israelis live with fear and the knowledge that they are hated every day. And the hatred goes farther than Israel. Antisemitic attacks are now commonplace in theUK and elsewhere. My Jewish friends in America are afraid and feel that the world is now becoming more like the situation for Jews was before WW2.
Jewish people are afraid. They see the support for the Palestinians and the hatred for themselves. Of course those nearest to it, living in Israel, whose children are fighting in Gaza, and those who are doing the fighting, are all afraid, and most probably motivated by a sense of revenge, rightly or wrongly. That is the situation as I see it from the other side.

Maddy in January on Holocaust Memorial Day Lily Ebert a survivor of the Holocaust was asked if she feared it happening again, she replied ‘it has started’ she was referring to the rise in
antisemitism

Katie59

growstuff

Urmstongran

growstuff

Urmstongran

It may be skewed to the Palestinian viewpoint blimey, just a bit!
🤣

Do you read it?

No because it’s a news channel!
And yes I do watch it sometimes.

Al Jazeera isn't just a news channel. It also has a website. I hardly ever watch TV, so I read the website.

Al Jazeera is based in Qatar so we can assume it is the main source of pro Hamas propaganda.

I very much doubt of it's the main source.

It also covers international news which the UK media usually ignores.

MayBee70

Callistemon21

After 9/11, we were enraged in the United States. And while we sought justice and got justice, we also made mistakes.

The problem with that advice is that people only learn from their own mistakes and not from that of others.
People also may feel sympathy, anger even, at what happens to others but if it happens to you, your loved ones or your people, then rage may be the overwhelming feeling and a quest for justice or revenge.

What happened on 9/11 shocked so many of us. It was a horrendous but instant attack by terrorists on innocent people.
What happened on 7th October last year was medieval barbarity, murdering babies and children as well as adults in a tortuous prolonged way and taking others hostage.

I don't know what is in the minds of these people and hope I never know.

I think many have lost sight of that with what has happened since.

And the wests reaction to 9/11 achieved absolutely nothing other than making it worse for innocent people living in Iraq and Afghanistan. I’m not saying that 9/11 should have been ignored but some battles can’t be fought with weapons alone.

some battles can’t be fought with weapons alone.

That's the point! In fact, throughout history battles might be fought with weapons, but wars aren't won with weapons alone - and peace is never won with weapons alone.

From Foxie 48:
'Netanyahu should have read Biden's message and taken note of what he said but he didn't. If he had he would have been able to attack Hamas, negotiate with more success and most importantly, for a country that relies on military aid from other countries, keep the support and sympathy of the world. Restraint would have been a more effective weapon but that has never been Israel's (or Netanyahu's) style'

A genuine thank you to Foxie 48 for trying but you have not answered what, on the morning of 7 October and immediately after should Israel have done.

How could Hamas have been attacked differently from the way they were?

Negotiate with whom? Hamas, negotiate?!

I repeat that the world has attacked Israel with words but why not the other arenas of conflict where more have died and continue to do so?

Hamas were riddled throughout the cities of Palestine, underneath it, in hospitals and schools, heavily armed and intent on killing.

Hamas spared no thought or planning for their actions for their people. They knew full well what would happen but gambled that the world would pity their people, which is exactly what happened and the Palestinian death toll was worth their action.

Hamas did not want to negotiate, they were ready to go.

I cannot understand why posters have heaped criticism on Israel's policy of trying to kill those who have and will kill them.

I also feel that it is just not understood that Israel is a bastion of western democratic civilization and if it falls to the mighty powers that surround them they will not go quietly - the motto: 'never again'. If Israel goes, I dread to think what will follow.

I fear you are right Candelle. Hamas has now received a lot of support because people conveniently forget that they are a brutal, medieval sect. Unfortunately killing all these civilians has played right into their grubby hands so they have people marching around with flags supporting them. Do these people realise how they would treat women, homosexuals, anyone who disagrees with them should they ‘win’ and destroy Israel?

Candelle So what has killing thousands of people and homes achieved? Hamas hasn't been wiped out and will rise again (maybe with a different name). Israel's policy has not just been killing those who have and will kill them. But I guess you'll never understand that.

nanna8 It's not necessary to support Hamas to see what's happening and comment objectively.

The photograph of a child fleeing during the Vietnam war was posted here, how it affect the world. Hamas certainly got the world supporting them they have played the child card from the start of the war.

growstuff seems some understand more than you.