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Is there anyone who still thinks that Israel's actions in Gaza are justifiable?

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foxie48 Tue 12-Mar-24 18:17:05

Much as the title says. I know some GNetters have been fierce supporters of Israel's right to defend themselves by their incursion into Gaza. As the months go by and more information becomes available with regard to the treatment, deaths etc of Palestinians, has this changed anyone's opinion? Today evidence of the treatment of doctors and patients in the Nasser Hospital has been verified. Does this change your opinion?

Whitewavemark2 Sun 07-Apr-24 00:39:25

Candelle

Mr Candelle here. More calories are being provided now than before the cowardly attack. No one is at risk of starvation in Gaza, save for the food re-alloctaed to Hamas. Sudan is another matter, millions are at risk of starvation. Where are the protesters?

The entire Gaza Strip is now living in a state of acute food insecurity. But in the north, according to Oxfam, people are surviving on an average of 245 calories a day – about what you’d get from a tin of beans. The north is classified as catastrophic.

The USA has recognised that famine is now starving people to death particularly in the north.

paddyann54 Sun 07-Apr-24 00:30:36

My cousins who stuck it out as long as they could would tell you differentlyOreo not just soldiers spitting at them the NI police force making life difficult for CHILDREN in the "province" .They moved here mid 70's ,came over for my wedding and saw that life was much simpler....not perfect then by any means ...but easier for catholic families to survive ,get decent jobs and have little aggravation on a day to day basis .The very fact that I a catholic girl could marry a protestant boy in a church (of SCOTLAND) and have both families at the wedding and no fights was an inspiration to them.There are still pockets of deep seated bigotry here in 2024 ,its Scotlands shame .Efforts to reduce it have been fought against by unionists regularly

Glorianny Sat 06-Apr-24 23:19:37

Oreo

Glorianny

I know of someone who grew up in Belfast. She went to a Catholic school so wore a Catholic uniform. She said the British soldiers used to spit at them as they walked by. She was a child.

Rubbish.
It was Protestant Mums, Dads and other civilians who spat on Catholic kids going to school.

Oh were you there with her? She has no reason to fabricate the story. It was just said in passing. She's a lapsed Catholic with strong views on the environment. No bitterness, no condemnation just a factual statement.

growstuff Sat 06-Apr-24 21:52:07

Katie59

Israel gets no sympathy from me it’s their war they will fight it in any way they can, I have no sympathy for Palestinians they don’t get it! - Israel will do whatever is needed to win they have to, they dont have an alternative.
I do have sympathy for the children

But they're not going to eradicate Hamas! What they've done is ensure that at least one more generation of Palestinians hates them and endangers their security. Even if they clear them out of Gaza, you can be sure they'll find a way. Not only that, but Israel is losing sympathy from the allies it's going to need in the future. It's a small country with few natural resources. It needs primarily American money to defend itself. The evidence suggests that its own army isn't disciplined enough to do a good job.

growstuff Sat 06-Apr-24 21:46:53

Oreo

All sorts happens in wars, including ‘friendly fire’.

The aid convoy did everything it was supposed to do with regards informing the IDF of its movements. It was deliberately targeted.

growstuff Sat 06-Apr-24 21:45:10

Anniebach

One soldier from a large number, evidence against the one soldier was -inadmissible , 14 died 12 injured, some were teenagers , they were on a peace march

Not true. The trial against the one soldier is pending.

Katie59 Sat 06-Apr-24 21:36:49

Israel gets no sympathy from me it’s their war they will fight it in any way they can, I have no sympathy for Palestinians they don’t get it! - Israel will do whatever is needed to win they have to, they dont have an alternative.
I do have sympathy for the children

growstuff Sat 06-Apr-24 21:35:21

Candelle

Mr Candelle here. More calories are being provided now than before the cowardly attack. No one is at risk of starvation in Gaza, save for the food re-alloctaed to Hamas. Sudan is another matter, millions are at risk of starvation. Where are the protesters?

And just how do you know that?

growstuff Sat 06-Apr-24 21:34:40

Callistemon21

Oh, Anniebacjph, I did sympathise but, like most right-minded people, am aghast at what is happening now.

Candelle you should retract that statement.

She should, but I bet she won't.

growstuff Sat 06-Apr-24 21:34:08

Candelle

Mr Candelle here. More calories are being provided now than before the cowardly attack. No one is at risk of starvation in Gaza, save for the food re-alloctaed to Hamas. Sudan is another matter, millions are at risk of starvation. Where are the protesters?

What's happening in Sudan is a civil war, which is a different situation from Gaza.

Callistemon21 Sat 06-Apr-24 21:30:34

Sorry for typos.

Callistemon21 Sat 06-Apr-24 21:30:08

Oh, Anniebacjph, I did sympathise but, like most right-minded people, am aghast at what is happening now.

Candelle you should retract that statement.

Anniebach Sat 06-Apr-24 21:17:56

Israel has had little understanding here

Callistemon21 Sat 06-Apr-24 20:49:23

Israel is losing much of the sympathy it had and posts like that makes it unsurprising.

😡

Callistemon21 Sat 06-Apr-24 20:48:00

😯
You are calling security people, working for a charity, who were putting their lives at risk guarding convoys of food, medical supplies and other charity workers mercenari3s?

How dare you!

Candelle Sat 06-Apr-24 20:45:24

Four aid workers, three mercenaries. If the armed mercenaries weren't spotted entering the cars this story wouldn't have happened.

Candelle Sat 06-Apr-24 20:43:00

Mr Candelle here. More calories are being provided now than before the cowardly attack. No one is at risk of starvation in Gaza, save for the food re-alloctaed to Hamas. Sudan is another matter, millions are at risk of starvation. Where are the protesters?

Anniebach Sat 06-Apr-24 20:34:33

One little picture , Hamas certainly played the photograph card well ,

Anniebach Sat 06-Apr-24 19:57:17

Forgive whom ?

Farzanah Sat 06-Apr-24 19:56:13

That is very powerful isn’t it foxie?
I think the killing of the aid workers will definitely mark a turn in this crisis.

foxie48 Sat 06-Apr-24 19:50:52

I think we can underestimate the effect that events can change the way people think. That photo of Phan Thi Kim Phúc (Napalm girl) definitely changed the way we thought about the war in Vietnam. She was also a victim of friendly fire, mistaken for North Vietnam fighters. Interestingly, Nixon doubted the authenticity of the picture (sound familiar?) but that one picture had a huge effect on the world. Is there anyone who can't remember it? She became a pretty remarkable person.
"Forgiveness made me free from hatred. I still have many scars on my body and severe pain most days but my heart is cleansed. Napalm is very powerful, but faith, forgiveness, and love are much more powerful. We would not have war at all if everyone could learn how to live with true love, hope, and forgiveness. If that little girl in the picture can do it, ask yourself: Can you?"

Kim Phúc, NPR in 2008

Anniebach Sat 06-Apr-24 19:08:30

But the war on Ukraine isn’t a bridge too far for US and U.K.

Can it be Russia can’t be criticised

Iam64 Sat 06-Apr-24 19:00:02

It is foxie - the murder of the seven aid workers seems like it may be a bridge too far for Biden and the uk

Anniebach Sat 06-Apr-24 18:45:20

The killing of the peace marchers was on the front of every newspaper, on the news bulletins , the world wasn’t interested

Katie59 Sat 06-Apr-24 18:43:01

And the IRA were terrorists and unaccountable, yes the UK the US, Russia, Myanmar and a great many other countries, it’s just talk, you think it makes one jot of difference to Netanyahu or Putin, it doesn’t.

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