The new Rwanda Plan

That Mayor in France got it right - we are too welcoming!

We should be looking after people already here, not taking anybody else at all in. If I cook a meal for 5 at the weekend, I often invite an elderly near neighbour. I can comfortably provide for 6. This notion that we should provide for everybody is crazy. Should I open my doors to the whole village even though most of them would get no food?

nanna8

If the Labour Party are going to reverse it all anyway, why bother ? Just let those people come. Don’t think about ‘processing’ them, they are human beings, their past is another country, another life. Maybe ship out a few Brits to make room?

Perhaps you should volunteer to be first to go. Then they could give your home to an asylum seeker, as some places appear to be doing. Sick of all of this, as are most of the country.

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LizzieDrip

Reading some comments on this thread and listening to Sunak gloating makes me so sad. The people - yes, people; human beings - trying to come here are fleeing war, oppression, violence and poverty. We, from the safety of our warm homes and democracy, talk about them as if they are nothing - just a problem to be got rid of. For Gods sake, where is the compassion! God forbid some of you ever need to seek refuge.

A voice in the wilderness I'm afraid.

In the minds and hearts of many the people are infact not even people. They are migrants/ scroungers/ small boats/ them/ they/ young men who leave their families. On and on it goes.

There is no compassion. ( unless they are Ukrainians apparently)

The number of Vietnamese migrants has increased by 17% from 2023. What I do know about the Vietnamese migrants is that they are used extensively in illegal cannabis growing.

Did anyone see the BBC footage of the boat leaving France on which the poor souls lost their lives yesterday? The police were outnumbered and the smugglers were between the migrants and the police with makeshift weapons.

The local Mayor said the reason the migrants all want to come to U.K. is our fault as we are far too welcoming

LizzieDrip

Reading some comments on this thread and listening to Sunak gloating makes me so sad. The people - yes, people; human beings - trying to come here are fleeing war, oppression, violence and poverty. We, from the safety of our warm homes and democracy, talk about them as if they are nothing - just a problem to be got rid of. For Gods sake, where is the compassion! God forbid some of you ever need to seek refuge.

Who knew 🤔 and I thought they had crossed multiple countries and paid people smugglers thousands of Euros to reach their destination of choice.

If the Labour Party are going to reverse it all anyway, why bother ? Just let those people come. Don’t think about ‘processing’ them, they are human beings, their past is another country, another life. Maybe ship out a few Brits to make room?

Reading some comments on this thread and listening to Sunak gloating makes me so sad. The people - yes, people; human beings - trying to come here are fleeing war, oppression, violence and poverty. We, from the safety of our warm homes and democracy, talk about them as if they are nothing - just a problem to be got rid of. For Gods sake, where is the compassion! God forbid some of you ever need to seek refuge.

Sorry, do NOT come close to, etc

Primrose53

Did anybody see the place they will be living in Rwanda? It was on TV last night. Absolutely beautiful, clean, light, spacious …. i would happily live there. Lots of people are choosing to go there on holiday now.

My friend is from Tanzania and knows Rwanda well. She says it is green, vibrant and a great place to live now. If you are prepared to work there then you will do well.

If it’s this wonderful, how is it a deterrent, which is what Sunak et al are claiming?

On the verbal promise re Afghans, it isn’t, obviously, in any way legally binding, and it’s restricted to those who are eligible to seek asylum through two very limited routes, which do come close to applying to all - or even most - of those who supported Britain’s forces and diplomats

JenniferEccles

It’s nothing to do with dividing society, it’s a huge problem affecting the whole of Europe.

We can’t be expected to accommodate everyone who fancies living here.
How many are we talking about?
Millions certainly.

I can’t understand why the people smugglers can’t be arrested. What they are doing is illegal so I just don’t understand why they are being allowed to get away with it.
Obviously it’s a very lucrative business for them so they won’t give up without a fight but surely they could be defeated.

I hope very much that the Rwanda plan works, although I wish there was a simpler, cheaper method to deter these migrants.

We're not expected to take millions. Other countries accept more.

Nicenanny3

Katie59

“My friend is from Tanzania and knows Rwanda well. She says it is green, vibrant and a great place to live now. If you are prepared to work there then you will do well.”

As long as you agree with the President and government policy it’s fine, disagreement is not tolerated.

Stay in France then, problem solved.

France doesn't want them either. Why France anyway? Using that logic, every country would just send them back to the country they've just passed through.

The top two nationalities of people arriving on boats are Afghanistan and Iran.

Am I imagining that somebody said that Afghans won't be sent to Rwanda?

So how about Iranians? Threads over the last few weeks have shown that people think that Iran is one of the worst regimes in the world (especially for gay people). Is it any wonder they want to emigrate? Most (especially younger) people in Iran are likely to speak some English. Canada, the US, Germany and Sweden have more Iranian immigrants than the UK, but a significant number have family in the UK. Why the hell would they want to go to Rwanda?

zakouma66

I would like the Home Office to work. For people to be processed quickly and humanely and begin being economically productive.

There is a new program being built. Then it has to be tested.
Knowing the home office that could take a while.

zakouma66

Callistemon21

RUBBISH Callistemon Scotland NEEDS immigrants as does England but we are much more welcoming to people who come here
As long as they're not English, presumably.

Did you forget the smiley/wink emoji?

How silly.

I'm not silly.

As a newcomer? you are very rude.

I think most of us are fed up with some of the the rants on here.

Callistemon21

^RUBBISH Callistemon Scotland NEEDS immigrants as does England but we are much more welcoming to people who come here^
As long as they're not English, presumably.

Did you forget the smiley/wink emoji?

How silly.

RUBBISH Callistemon Scotland NEEDS immigrants as does England but we are much more welcoming to people who come here
As long as they're not English, presumably.

Urmstongran

The big difference is that Labour don't think Rwanda will work... and don't want it to work. The voters, however, are sceptical it will work (nothing else has) but would very much like it to work….

This.
It will take a while, but if the plan works then it will be worth it.
No more awful drownings and no more thousands of illegal migrants arriving here every week.

zakouma66

I would like the Home Office to work. For people to be processed quickly and humanely and begin being economically productive.

Yes, this!

But, if the government keeps cutting back on civil servants, I don't think the process is going to speed up.

Some people keep going on about “the poor boat people” who are fleeing terrible conditions and are being pushed around.
They do have choices - go to Rwanda or stay where they are, in France.

paddyann54

RUBBISH Callistemon Scotland NEEDS immigrants as does England but we are much more welcoming to people who come here The reason Scots move to other parts of the UK is because we have always been largely ignored by successive westminster governments.I'll take a guess that you might have sen the recent debacle in the commons when Starmer pushed the SNP vote aside to take precedence with HIS amendment!!

The sheer ignorance about Scotland on here is astonishing .

I'll also take a guess you didn't see the BBC apology yesterday about the so called "hate crime law" when they admitted no one had actually READ the damn thing so didn't realise its almost exactly the same as the law thats been in England and most of Europe since the early 2000's .Mind you an apology from the EBC has been long overdue for their disgusting discrimination about all pertaining to Independence .
YES that should read E B C ...its certainly NOT a Scottish service and never has been despite both the roots of TV and the BEEB being Scots

Oh, don't be daft! And do stop having a go at me, paddyann.

Caleo said:

Callistemon, I am native to Scotland and the UK. However if Sunak is a danger to other vulnerable innocents I and my loved ones can be next in line for persecution.

I took that as a joke.

I doubt native Scots will be deported from Scotland. If it came to thst, even I, with my French ancestry, would be behind Richi in the deportation line.

She was, I presume, joking and so was I.

Except to say no, I am not ignorant about Scotland. Most of my friends are Scottish but find life preferable here in Wales.

Frankly, I cbb to read the rest of your post.

Caleo

Urmstongran wrote:

"Utopia Caleo.
That’s not the remit of this little country either. We can’t sort the ills of the world. Change has to come from within."

Civilisation itself depends on cooperation between individuals.

Tribalism, at certain times in man's past, was the only option but now we in Europe have a long and honorable record of being responsible for each others' welfare whoever they be.

We in Europe have a moral duty to help 'underdeveloped' countries to thrive .

I fear your words are wasted.

I think the PM is desperate to show he can "deliver on the people's priorities." He must show HE can "Stop the Boats". Not so long ago another PM was equally desperate to "Get Brexit done". These acts of desperation never work.

MadeinYorkshire, I send my best wishes for your continuing safety. The NHS is still staffed by human beings not unfeeling robots like Rishi would have it.

The general election will see the Right Wing parties disempowered, and there will be no further demands from them for pounds of flesh.