The new Rwanda Plan

I know a lot of friends and family who could benefit from a 3K handout

My understanding is that we used to be able to do that, but that when we left the EU we also left that multi-lateral agreement.

Well I suppose if the Rwanda flights start taking off, mobile phones will be whipped out to warn ‘it’s not worth the risk’ that’s the ethos of it all. A deterrent. Who would pay a people traffickers thousands ££s when staying in the UK could no longer be guaranteed?

Whilst I agree that asylum seekers who don't meet the requirements should go home tout suite, I don't understand why the genuine refugees are treated so badly, especially bearing in mind that since Brexit we have had a severe labour shortage.
The Rwanda scheme is insane and inhuman, and evidence suggests that the many £millions already expended have ended up in the pockets of Sunak's cronies.
Statistically, immigrants demand very little of the public purse, most of them, especially professional people being readily employable.
I don't know why it's necessary that they languish for months in dreadful accommodation whilst they wait to be 'processed'.
The myth of them living in 4* hotels should be dismissed as the utter untruth which it is.
No wonder this sadistic treatment leads to trouble in the communities where they are placed.

It will cost thousands to put people on a plane to Rwanda. Our money!
If you want to save on asylum seekers’ costs , let them stay with friends and family, give them temporary work visas so they pay their own rent. Ridiculous to bundle them in hotels.
Sooner the incompetent Conservative Party is out of power, the better. We need adults in charge managing the country efficiently. Honestly, it makes me fume. Surely better to treat damaged people better than bundling them off to Africia!!!!

TinSoldier

I suggest people read this.

freemovement.org.uk/are-refugees-obliged-to-claim-asylum-in-the-first-safe-country-they-reach/

There is no legal obilgation for somone to stay in the first safe country they reach - else why aren’t all Ukranian refugees in Poland and Moldova?

Under the Dublin System:

[While] There is no legal duty or obligation on the asylum seeker to claim and remain in the first safe country and an asylum seeker who moves on is not breaking the law by doing so or disqualifying themselves from refugee status. But as a matter of administration, one EU country can send the asylum seeker back to another EU country under this system.

There used to over a thousand of these “Dublin removals” every year from the United Kingdom …

I have to smile when I read these things, about all the fervent Brexiteers who thought that leaving the EU would solve the issue of migration. Had the UK remained in the EU then it would still be part of the Dublin system.

Gave me a wry smile too TinSoldier. Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving.

Nor me.

Why was it sad?
I don’t understand what is sad about gendarmes applying the law.

Why would anyone try to stop the gendarmes doing their job? I have seen people on trains being cautioned after being found by an inspector not to have bought a ticket and trying to argue the toss. Also people at the railway station being caught with drugs and arrested. They weren’t always white. What’s the difference? Didn’t stop me using trains.

halfpint1

Nobody tried to stop anything on the bus, it created a heavy
air of silence. I felt like the silent witness to reality.
Even though it was all correct it was still sad to see.
If thats an over reaction so be it.

I meant not going on a bus again.

Nobody tried to stop anything on the bus, it created a heavy
air of silence. I felt like the silent witness to reality.
Even though it was all correct it was still sad to see.
If thats an over reaction so be it.

halfpint1

A couple of years ago I was on a long distance bus when at one pause the Gendarmes got on checked everyone's I.D. and took off 3 people all young black males.
It was so upsetting to witness. Haven't taken a bus since

Bit of an over reaction there halfpint1 😝

Reminds me of those interfering “do gooders” who stopped a plane from taking off with someone who was being deported. He happened to be a black person.

He was a convicted criminal and has been convicted again I believe since that happened.

Or while you’re walking down the street or sitting in a cafe.

Not imagination halfpint, just wondering why you wouldn’t get a bus since they took three people, apparently with no ID, off the bus.
I don’t understand the link. You were not in danger and wouldn’t be in danger if you took a bus again.
It’s nothing like 1939 at all. It’s ensuring people who have no entitlement to be in the country are investigated and given leave to remain or removed.
Exactly the same thing could happen on a train.

I still don’t understand it. If you’re visiting France you have to carry ID as you know. They may well not have been French nationals. They might have been wanted for criminal offences for all you know. The gendarmerie are there to enforce the law. Something from 1939? What an overreaction. They weren’t going to be carted off to a concentration camp. See how black Americans are treated in the Deep South for no reason other than the colour of their skin and think again.

Ok so they took off the people who didn't have I.D.
I felt part of something from 1939 . Since then I
have a rail pass. Ok?
Strewth use your imagination ladies.

Haven’t taken a bus since

Why ever not?

I expect they had a good reason. They wouldn’t have taken them off because of the colour of their skin. Why was it upsetting and why haven’t you travelled on a bus since then?

A couple of years ago I was on a long distance bus when at one pause the Gendarmes got on checked everyone's I.D. and took off 3 people all young black males.
It was so upsetting to witness. Haven't taken a bus since

2023
320,000 were issued with residency
170,000 were deported in France
According to google

That doesn’t explain how the German government will actually make failed asylum seekers leave the country - what if they physically resist?

Casdon

Freya5

Germanshepherdsmum

What would Starmer do with people whose asylum claims have been rejected? Let them roam the streets and work in the black economy or turn to crime?

You've said exactly what his government will do. Find it strange that France, the imam, and Germany, failed asylum seekers, can send people back quickly, yet we can't. I wonder why.

Can you explain what France and Germany actually do with failed asylum seekers Freya5, that’s what I’d like to know?

www.dw.com/en/germany-unveils-law-for-faster-migrant-returns/a-67595132

One extra bit of information I gleaned this week, is amongst other stuff - meeting head of civil servant departments etc. Labour are well on the way establishing links with Brussels which could include re-establishing the Dublin agreement.

Remember that immigration only got totally out of control when we left the union.

If someone won’t leave voluntarily they would have to be forcibly removed. Cue accusations of assault and a mob of human rights lawyers. Starmer was a human rights lawyer - he isn’t going to stop this nonsense.

Germanshepherdsmum

What would Starmer do with people whose asylum claims have been rejected? Let them roam the streets and work in the black economy or turn to crime?

Even you don’t believe such hyperbole!

You know exactly whatLabour are planning to do - it doesn’t need repeating.