The new Rwanda Plan

LizzieDrip

Nicenanny what is it about asylum seekers that makes you appear to hate them so much?

You are the one using the word hate I've never said that I hate them.

zakouma66

I am reporting your posts as a hate crime.

Err for telling the truth, the whole point of the Rwanda scheme is to try and stop the boats because we don't want them here.

An unpopular solution may be to insist on ID cards to be carried at all times. This would state how long there allowed to stay, if legal here etc.

But many people wouldn't be happy paying for ID cards, and do we have the police /border resources to carry out checks?

I do think it's easy to disappear into the country and this may be a factor in people wanting to come here.

It’s wrong to say oreo that anyone with a visa has a job and accommodation - many are here on temporary visas and never leave - there is no check on their leaving. Many are here on student or family visas and don’t have jobs, students frequently “disappear”, again no checks by our Home Office. There are far more of these than those in small boats, but this is never tackled.

Some views might seem offensive to you zakouma, and they are certainly not ones I agree with either, but they probably do not come under the category of hate crime against a person.

Are you reporting the posts to the police as a crime?

Or do you mean you are reporting them to GNHQ because you think they should be deleted?

It's not clear.

zakouma66

Sick to my stomach reading this. What on earth do you think these updates on the number of people arriving does?

People

I have reported it, its a disgrace.

You may feel sick reading this but I think you’re being self righteous!

Nicenanny what is it about asylum seekers that makes you appear to hate them so much?

I am reporting your posts as a hate crime.

Even Ireland an EU country doesn't want them.

Greta

I agree, Casdon, I don't know how often this has been said " they should stay in France/they should stay in the first safe country". Why not just say 'we don't want them. Let others deal with them." What makes people feel we are special?

We don't want them.

Yes, Wyllow3, those who want to come to the UK often do speak a bit of English. What I was wondering was what makes some Brits feel the UK is special and immigrants should go elsewhere.

Greta

I agree, Casdon, I don't know how often this has been said " they should stay in France/they should stay in the first safe country". Why not just say 'we don't want them. Let others deal with them." What makes people feel we are special?

Often English is their main second language?

Casdon

It’s blindingly obvious that people who travel across continents specifically to get to the French coast nearest to the UK are doing so because they wish to come to the UK. If I hear one more person say that they are France’s problem and should be given asylum there I think I’m going to scream - just be glad you can’t hear me.

There are countries where lots of us would like to live but we don’t meet their requirements. Tough!

I agree, Casdon, I don't know how often this has been said " they should stay in France/they should stay in the first safe country". Why not just say 'we don't want them. Let others deal with them." What makes people feel we are special?

Agree Casdom, the government know this, so you have to wonder at their motives.

It’s blindingly obvious that people who travel across continents specifically to get to the French coast nearest to the UK are doing so because they wish to come to the UK. If I hear one more person say that they are France’s problem and should be given asylum there I think I’m going to scream - just be glad you can’t hear me.

I know it’s been said many times but the people risking their lives could apply for asylum in France.Since they’re already there.
I don’t believe that all that many have family here but rather that they think the UK is a land of milk and honey.
As to numbers and statistics, no stats alter the fact that hard pressed Councils have to find beds food and accommodation for thousand upon thousand of migrants.They have no money or often passports or any papers to show where they come from.
Anyone who comes here on a visa has money and a job to go to and accommodation.We need controlled immigration here but not uninvited economic migrants.

zakouma66

I seem to recall Father Ted being a comedy. I doubt my friends who have been rounded up and put in a Home Office van today are laughing.

Still I suppose it lowers the numbers.
No matter that they are human beings , the Rwanda is not paradise and they are terrified and suicidal.

Perhaps you should tell your other friends to broadcast on YouTube, X etc about what's happening here then to their friends in France, tell them to save their money.

zakouma66

I seem to recall Father Ted being a comedy. I doubt my friends who have been rounded up and put in a Home Office van today are laughing.

Still I suppose it lowers the numbers.
No matter that they are human beings , the Rwanda is not paradise and they are terrified and suicidal.

Your friends are illegal immigrants?

Allsorts

If there were no boats, the people would not risk everything to get here. I can’t understand why, from day I, people were not employed just to wreck and disable the boats, those that do come here processed straightaway, then returned if illegal. It’s disgusting how bad all this has been handled.

But were the boats just left lying around on the beach?

You would have to get hold of them first to puncture / slash them.

I assume they were hidden somewhere prior to being used to avoid that happening.

Once the boats are in the water with the passengers I am guessing that the police have been told not to damage them in case people drown, and they (the police) are charged with a crime.

It all sounds easy in theory, but I would imagine the reality is somewhat more complex.

If boats were simply left lying about, I'm sure the police would render them unusable.

I seem to recall Father Ted being a comedy. I doubt my friends who have been rounded up and put in a Home Office van today are laughing.

Still I suppose it lowers the numbers.
No matter that they are human beings , the Rwanda is not paradise and they are terrified and suicidal.

Even if there were legal routes do you think that the ones refused would just give up, I don't, so they would still use the people smuggling gangs to get here. On the beach in Calais there were people from Vietnam what are they fleeing, most are economic migrants. I agree the deterrent is not working at the moment that's why I'm keeping check on the number of boats coming over. Although the Rwanda scheme has caused some fury in Ireland supposedly they are looking at ways to send them back to us, you couldn't make it up could you, like an episode of Father Ted, 😊

“Net migration has been unusually high in the past two years. The Office for National Statistics (ONS) estimates that net migration to the UK was 745,000 in 2022, up from 184,000 in 2019 before the pandemic (ONS, November 2023). “
This shows how we have “ taken control of our borders” since Brexit . Fewer than 10% of this high number are those claiming asylum. Those who come here legally are on work, study or family visas. Of course this government does not highlight these figures, they are concentrating on the few thousand who have arrived in small boats. They are lax about issuing visas. This is out of control far more. Concentrated on small boat arrivals is a drop in the ocean. Rwanda will make no difference to what are record numbers of immigrants.

Another 359 on 8 boats yesterday

What😱 … but surely the Rwanda scheme is a deterrent!

Nicenanny
the ones coming over on the small boats are doing so illegally paying people smuggling gangs thousands of Euros to get here

They are doing so because the UK government has closed down all legal routes for their countries, so they cannot apply for asylum from Syria, Afghanistan etc. The legal routes for asylum applications apply to a very small limited number of countries deemed ‘worthy’ by the UK government. Bottom line; people fleeing persecution in many countries must resort to the traffickers in order to escape. If it was possible for them to apply for asylum from their own country they wouldn’t go anywhere near the trafficking gangs. They would prefer to come here legally. Surely even a child in primary school could see that!