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Is Vaughan Gething the man to watch? 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

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Urmstongran Wed 13-Mar-24 16:15:45

Mark Drakeford (69) steps down as First Minister for Wales this Easter. This man came second to him in the voting in 2018. Looking him up on Wiki he is 49, and was health minister between 2016 and May 2021, overseeing Wales' initial response to Covid.

He says that experience would stand him in good stead to be first minister, but he has also been criticised after admitting he had not read key documents relating to pandemic planning.

Any of our GN community know of him/fancy his chances? I admit I only became curious about Drakeford’s successor because of today’s Covid Inquiry session and became curious.

eazybee Sun 17-Mar-24 09:33:59

I would say Vaughan Gething is most definitely a man to watch, and watch most carefully.
A rather dodgy political career so far, as presented in Wikipedia. I am aware that not all the information presented there is always completely accurate, but the £200,000 donation from a dubious source and the trade union nomination have been discussed in the press, plus other minor transgressions.

Bea65 Sun 17-Mar-24 04:21:18

Think now you have to say mixed heritage or dual heritage - not mixed race … but have tin hat on just in case🤣

Callistemon21 Sat 16-Mar-24 22:45:00

zakouma66

Gob smacking arragance commenting on Wales and in particular the Welsh language.

Why?

Does a poster have to live in Wales and speak Welsh before they are allowed to comment?

Last time I looked, it was still part of the UK.
And I don't see posters holding back on international affairs either.

Anniebach Sat 16-Mar-24 21:43:29

I did vote for devolution , trivial perhaps but not to me,
Capel Celyn 1965, Liverpool needed more water,no problem
Flood a valley in Wales, tough on houses tell the preople to dig
up their dead, passed by parliament but not one vote by a Welsh MP, Liverpool did apologise in the 90’s,

Aberfan 1966 would not have happened if we had any control

zakouma66 Sat 16-Mar-24 21:25:15

Gob smacking arragance commenting on Wales and in particular the Welsh language.

Anniebach Sat 16-Mar-24 20:42:56

No Callistemon

Casdon Sat 16-Mar-24 20:42:02

I’ve just had a quick look at Urmstongran’s claim about crime rates.
www.statista.com/statistics/866788/crime-rate-england-and-wales-by-region/
This doesn’t bear out her claim. I think she’s confused between absolute rates of crime, and a rise in the number of reported incidents over a specific period, which are less significant than the absolute rates over a year.
I could no doubt look at the other claims she makes but to be frank I can’t be bothered to waste my time checking out nonsense that’s probably been gleaned from a less than reliable source.

I didn’t vote for devolution, but in retrospect I wish I had, because despite the downsides it’s been good for Wales - our identity and self worth has increased a lot in the last twenty years. There’s no going back.

Callistemon21 Sat 16-Mar-24 20:42:01

I don't think it's the middle classes. They're targeting school children.

Callistemon21 Sat 16-Mar-24 20:41:02

Anniebach

And before England ruled

Did you watch A Royal Guide to Wales Anniebach?
Ch 4 this evening (a welcome break from the rugby).

Urmstongran Sat 16-Mar-24 20:35:13

Callistemon21

Could you please stop your criminal gangs, drugs gangs crossing the border and targeting us and our youngsters?

Our crime rate might go down then.

I wish I could Calli. But supply follows demand. And there is much money to be made. If those who ‘enjoy a line or two’ at their dinner parties would only stop to think ‘how did this arrive in my house’ eh? County line boys on their bicycles delivering to middle class ‘enjoyers’. It’s so sad.

Anniebach Sat 16-Mar-24 20:28:36

And before England ruled

Callistemon21 Sat 16-Mar-24 20:26:20

I do wonder sometimes if devolution was a good idea though.

It has caused rifts and divisiveness.

Casdon Sat 16-Mar-24 20:24:22

Urmstongran

South Wales loves Labour and all those cushy quango and public sector jobs; thats why they vote for them.

Devolution has not been kind to Wales.

You do talk sh..e at times. One thing I think we can guarantee is that Wales will never be a Reform stronghold, so I don’t think we expect you to understand the industrial history and legacy of South Wales.

Callistemon21 Sat 16-Mar-24 20:23:59

Me neither.
We are all one nation.

Callistemon21 Sat 16-Mar-24 20:23:20

Could you please stop your criminal gangs, drugs gangs crossing the border and targeting us and our youngsters?

Our crime rate might go down then.

Urmstongran Sat 16-Mar-24 20:22:11

Calli it gives me no pleasure to say these things.

Callistemon21 Sat 16-Mar-24 20:21:10

And drugs gangs.

Urmstongran Sat 16-Mar-24 20:20:13

South Wales loves Labour and all those cushy quango and public sector jobs; thats why they vote for them.

Devolution has not been kind to Wales.

Callistemon21 Sat 16-Mar-24 20:18:59

Recorded offences have increased faster in Wales than in England, up nearly 50 per cent since 2016

Many of the burglaries are perpetrated by gangs coming over the border from the Midlands.

Casdon Sat 16-Mar-24 20:17:53

We’re all an absolute waste of space in Wales Urmstongran, from the politicians to the economy, education, health, environment, the language - you name it we’re beyond the pale. In fact, I don’t know how we dare position our rubbish country so close to you.

There, does that make you feel better?

Callistemon21 Sat 16-Mar-24 20:17:12

OMG

I'm living in a laboratory 😂

Urmstongran Sat 16-Mar-24 20:12:52

The economy – which is Gething’s most recent brief? Wales has the weakest economy in Britain. Council tax has risen faster in Wales, too: up by 32.4 per cent in Wales since 2018 compared with 29.8 per cent in England. Mercifully for Welsh taxpayers, the Welsh government doesn’t have the same powers to vary income tax that the Scottish government has – otherwise, they would no doubt be paying more from their pay packets, too.

Crime? Yes, you’ve guessed it. Recorded offences have increased faster in Wales than in England, up nearly 50 per cent since 2016. And so it goes on.

Wales’ miserable performance relative to England – and also Scotland – matters because we will soon be in an election campaign in which Sir Keir Starmer is determined to make competence a central issue. He will presumably be counting on voters not taking too much notice of the living laboratory that is Wales, because it offers very little to suggest that Labour is capable of making a better fist of things than either the Conservatives in England or the SNP in Scotland.

Callistemon21 Sat 16-Mar-24 20:10:54

Well, if his mother was a chicken farmer, perhaps he'll have some experience of the consequences of poultry farming and be able to stop all the pollution of the River Wye from chicken farms upstream.

Although his eco credentials might be in doubt as this man bankrolled his leadership campaign:
In 2013 the group’s director, David John Neal, was convicted at Cardiff Magistrates Court of illegally dumping waste in a Site of Special Scientific Interest (SSSI) on the Gwent Levels and given a three-month suspended sentence.

Casdon Sat 16-Mar-24 20:05:11

I just meant they are both black in terms of race classification, sorry if I confused the issue.

flappergirl Sat 16-Mar-24 20:03:13

Casdon

Visgir1

Urmstongran

"I have the honour of becoming the first black leader in any European country" So what colour is Rishi then, green?

Mixed Race and check out Rushi Sunak think you might notice something.

He means of Afro-Caribbean descent, as opposed to Asian, and in that regard he is correct. His mother was a Zambian chicken farmer, his father a Welsh vet.

Sorry Casdon, but Afro Caribbean is not African. Not sure if I've misunderstood your comment though.