Changed my mind about voting for Reform uk

And so are you.

Nicenanny3

15:04Whitewavemark2

Yes but he didn't say what you said he did.

You twisted his words.

But he DID say what Whitewave claims!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn_9lVvMkX4

The man is a sh*tstirrer.

15:04Whitewavemark2

Yes but he didn't say what you said he did.

You twisted his words.

Transcript to allow people to make up their own minds

Farage: we have a growing number of young people in this country who do not subscribe to British values. In fact, loathe much of what we stand for.

Philips: Who are we talking about there?

Nigel Farage: Oh, I think we see them on the streets of London every Saturday

Phillips: Are we talking about Muslims here?

Farage: We are. And I'm afraid I found some of the recent surveys saying that 46% of British Muslims support Hamas, a terrorist organisation that is described in this country. And this prime minister, is building far more of that population than anybody before in history.

Phillips: Are you sure you want to make the blanket accusation that you've just made, that Muslims are somehow less patriotic than other British people?

Farage: We have never before seen anything like this. You think about West Indian immigration into Britain, the post-World War. There were a lot of shared things shared history, shared culture, shared religion. In many cases, most families that came could say one of their family had served with British forces in World War One. World War two. Love of cricket. You know, the list goes on. But there were commonalities and, you know, as you know, with your previous job, the key to immigration is integration. If you get integration it works.

Phillips: I'm going to stop you there and I'm going to say two things. First of all, you're right. I come from that stock. But let us remember that my stock, my ancestors for the best part of 7 or 800 years were Muslims until they were forcibly converted to Christians by slave owners. So when you talk about Muslims as hostile to British values, no, I don't really see how you arrive at that conclusion. And secondly, trying to say to me, you know, actually, you guys are not really like these other guys. Can you imagine how offensive that is to British Muslims, can you imagine? Let me ask you to put yourself in the shoes of a British Muslim. Can you imagine how offensive that feels?

The fact that you voted for Jeremy Corbyn a known Hamas supporter/friend perhaps you think it's OK for 46% of young Muslims to support Hamas, I noticed you never mentioned this 🤔

Nicenanny3

12:53Whitewavemark2

You were misquoting and twisting what Nigel Farage said (I've just watched the interview) he said a growing number of young people (Muslims) do not share our views, he did not say not a single Muslim in the UK shares our values and that they are not patriotic, also a poll showed that 46% of young Muslims supported Hamas.

Yes I listened to, just to get the truth about what was said.
I also remember the poll.
People will twist what is said to suit their own agenda.

12:53Whitewavemark2

You were misquoting and twisting what Nigel Farage said (I've just watched the interview) he said a growing number of young people (Muslims) do not share our views, he did not say not a single Muslim in the UK shares our values and that they are not patriotic, also a poll showed that 46% of young Muslims supported Hamas.

Nicenanny3

08:19Whitewavemark2

It is however racist to say that not a single Muslim in the U.K. shares our values, and that they are not patriotic

That is racist

I've never seen or heard anyone say that on here or in real life (Reform)

Telling porkies again me thinks 🐷 if true where and when, evidence ?

Trevor Philips - Sunday morning.

Philips was left gobsmacked.

I dont think Nigel is a foul racist or not a decent human being. Just think he talks a lot of common sense and is a man prepared to stand by his principle but I am not voting Reform. Keir is either unable or just unwilling to say what he does want, not happy with Conservatives I do think Richie does keep to his word which I like, but he hasn’t handled immigration yet and not researched his new plan about National Service, in theory a good idea but couldn't be done. Know it works in Norway though. Do think some people automatically reject anyone not a member of their political party.

Nicenanny3

08:19Whitewavemark2

It is however racist to say that not a single Muslim in the U.K. shares our values, and that they are not patriotic

That is racist

I've never seen or heard anyone say that on here or in real life (Reform)

Telling porkies again me thinks 🐷 if true where and when, evidence ?

Isn’t that what Farage said on Sky News on Sunday?

They have some good ideas on taxation like raising the threshold to 21k and reducing VAT, and they do offer an alternative for disillusioned Conservatives, and I was considering voting Reform, but I'm not so sure now. I've seen their website and it is amateurish and they seem disorganised. Also could they be like UKIP and fall apart after a couple of years?
Not sure who I'll vote for as I've voted different ways over the years, but sick of the Tories and not that convinced by Labour.

08:19Whitewavemark2

It is however racist to say that not a single Muslim in the U.K. shares our values, and that they are not patriotic

That is racist

I've never seen or heard anyone say that on here or in real life (Reform)

Telling porkies again me thinks 🐷 if true where and when, evidence ?

Freya5

Whitewavemark2

JudyBloom

HouseplantQueen and Tin Soldier - Yes I have read Reform Party's Contract/Manifesto. You have got it all wrong about them, they are not fascists/far right. I wouldn't be voting for them if they were. Brexit was never implemented properly, we have been betrayed. They want what is best for our country and net zero and all the woke stuff is destroying our way of life. We will have to agree to disagree. You should watch Reform's Conferences and then you might learn something. Ben Habib, Ann Widdecombe, Dr. David Bull, you need to hear what they have to say. There is nothing wrong with Tory values and most people don't want the woke agendas. Nigel Farage is not far right, you need to see more of what he has to say. He is a decent human being and has more common sense than all the other parties put together.

Farage and decency wouldn’t know each other if they hit each other in the face.

He is a foul racist individual.

Oh dear, the record never changes. It is not racist to want lower immigration, and stricter border controls. This is the lefts way of shutting down any conversation about the subject.

Is is however racist to say that not a single Muslim in the U.K. shares our values, and that they are not patriotic.

That is racist.

It’s meant negatively that’s for sure. Anyone who doesn’t agree with their values.

HousePlantQueen

JudyBloom

HouseplantQueen and Tin Soldier - Yes I have read Reform Party's Contract/Manifesto. You have got it all wrong about them, they are not fascists/far right. I wouldn't be voting for them if they were. Brexit was never implemented properly, we have been betrayed. They want what is best for our country and net zero and all the woke stuff is destroying our way of life. We will have to agree to disagree. You should watch Reform's Conferences and then you might learn something. Ben Habib, Ann Widdecombe, Dr. David Bull, you need to hear what they have to say. There is nothing wrong with Tory values and most people don't want the woke agendas. Nigel Farage is not far right, you need to see more of what he has to say. He is a decent human being and has more common sense than all the other parties put together.

Okay........ Anne Widdecombe you say? Do you actually understand what "woke" is?

The only people I've seen who use the word "woke" on a regular basis are older people and Daily Mail readers. It's quite amusing really and no, they have no idea of its meaning.

I am proud to be “Woke” if we are talking about its original meaning which was to be informed, educated and conscious of social injustice and inequality. I don’t believe I’m a destroyer of our way of life, unless it goes down the fascist route that is.

JudyBloom

HouseplantQueen and Tin Soldier - Yes I have read Reform Party's Contract/Manifesto. You have got it all wrong about them, they are not fascists/far right. I wouldn't be voting for them if they were. Brexit was never implemented properly, we have been betrayed. They want what is best for our country and net zero and all the woke stuff is destroying our way of life. We will have to agree to disagree. You should watch Reform's Conferences and then you might learn something. Ben Habib, Ann Widdecombe, Dr. David Bull, you need to hear what they have to say. There is nothing wrong with Tory values and most people don't want the woke agendas. Nigel Farage is not far right, you need to see more of what he has to say. He is a decent human being and has more common sense than all the other parties put together.

Okay........ Anne Widdecombe you say? Do you actually understand what "woke" is?

Farzanah

M0nica

I think he has possibly confused what the non-Labour party member supporter will vote for with what left wing party members want.

I think a lot of the Conservative vote in the last election had more to do with ordinary Labour voters (not party members) being concerned by the left wing policies that would come with Corbyn, than them actively supporting Conservative policies. Now the Labour party has swung back towards the centre, the voters will return to them, regardless of whether the Conservatives have been good bad or indifferent in government.

What was particularly “left wing” about Corbyn’s policies as set out in the manifesto 2019. Here’s a reminder (in brief)
1. Increase Health Budget
2. Hold a Second Referendum on Brexit
3. Raise minimum wage
4. Stop pension age rises
5. Introduce a national care service
6. Bring forward net zero target.
7. Stop universal credit. Reform benefit system
8. Nationalise Key Industries
9. Abolish private schools’ charitable status
10. Free bus travel for under 25s
11. EU Nationals right to remain
12. Build 100,000 council houses a year

Socialist policies which we could do with now. Taxing wealth would be another useful step forward.

2, 4, 6, 8, 9, 11 and poss 12

Whitewavemark2

JudyBloom

HouseplantQueen and Tin Soldier - Yes I have read Reform Party's Contract/Manifesto. You have got it all wrong about them, they are not fascists/far right. I wouldn't be voting for them if they were. Brexit was never implemented properly, we have been betrayed. They want what is best for our country and net zero and all the woke stuff is destroying our way of life. We will have to agree to disagree. You should watch Reform's Conferences and then you might learn something. Ben Habib, Ann Widdecombe, Dr. David Bull, you need to hear what they have to say. There is nothing wrong with Tory values and most people don't want the woke agendas. Nigel Farage is not far right, you need to see more of what he has to say. He is a decent human being and has more common sense than all the other parties put together.

Farage and decency wouldn’t know each other if they hit each other in the face.

He is a foul racist individual.

Oh dear, the record never changes. It is not racist to want lower immigration, and stricter border controls. This is the lefts way of shutting down any conversation about the subject.

notoveryet

I'm interested that a private dentist thinks people pay out thousands on holidays etc. I haven't had a holiday in years, don't go to hairdresser or nail bar, I have to find several thousand for necessary treatment as a result of a severe illness. Finance would be 400 a month, I don't have 40 a month left over, I wonder what his suggestion would be

Im sure you arent, but he's right to a point.
NhS is still a £319 layout for Band 3 treatment.
How are you going to force dentists to work for NHS, even Blair said it couldn't be done.
If you're on a low income and find it difficult you can apply to the NHS Low income scheme, you can also claim a refund.

Freya5

spabbygirl

manifestos can easily be ignored, like the Tories for the last election they didn't say they are privatising the NHS but thats exactly what they've done to the dental system. I want the NHS to be fit, healthy & well funded even if I pay more tax so I'm voting Labour they set up the NHS in the face of Tory opposition so they get my vote now

Many things have decided dentists to work privately, since about 1992. Easily looked up. After Major who was PM at the time, Labour won a massive majority, headed by Blair, who did nothing at all to sort this out, in fact he as quoted as saying, "he was powerless to increase access to NHS dentistry, and that he couldnt force dentists to do NHS work instead of private". So blame on both sides I would argue.
As my local private dentist has stated, "people will pay thousands on holidays, car repair, nail and beauty treatment,but they won't pay out for something that is essential to health, dental care".

This article will explain what went horribly wrong with our dental service.
It was the Labour government of the time who changed the rules.

Dinahmo

Anyone see him being interviewed by Trevor Phillips on the politics programme on Sky? Very nasty man.

Yes - he has form - remember the poster?

17:21Whitewavemark2
Farage and decency wouldn’t know each other if they hit each other in the face

He is a foul racist individual

Say you who voted for Jeremy Corbyn/Labour a Hamas terrorist friend/supporter, what pray does that say about you I shudder to think.

Anyone see him being interviewed by Trevor Phillips on the politics programme on Sky? Very nasty man.

JudyBloom

HouseplantQueen and Tin Soldier - Yes I have read Reform Party's Contract/Manifesto. You have got it all wrong about them, they are not fascists/far right. I wouldn't be voting for them if they were. Brexit was never implemented properly, we have been betrayed. They want what is best for our country and net zero and all the woke stuff is destroying our way of life. We will have to agree to disagree. You should watch Reform's Conferences and then you might learn something. Ben Habib, Ann Widdecombe, Dr. David Bull, you need to hear what they have to say. There is nothing wrong with Tory values and most people don't want the woke agendas. Nigel Farage is not far right, you need to see more of what he has to say. He is a decent human being and has more common sense than all the other parties put together.

Farage and decency wouldn’t know each other if they hit each other in the face.

He is a foul racist individual.