Changed my mind about voting for Reform uk

I recommend hearing what Peter Whittle of the New Culture Forum has to say too. Anyone who doesn't agree with the left/woke ideology is always labelled far right. This is unfair and Peter Whittle makes an excellent speech about this. Check him out!

By the way Tin Soldier, you should read Liz Truss' latest book and you'll see how the government did their best not to get Brexit through, they still kept us tied to EU rules against our wishes. There is nothing wrong with Brexit and since we have left many deals have been done with other countries that are only for our good. I am not going to apologise for being a Brexiteer and wanting our own Soveriegnty.

HouseplantQueen and Tin Soldier - Yes I have read Reform Party's Contract/Manifesto. You have got it all wrong about them, they are not fascists/far right. I wouldn't be voting for them if they were. Brexit was never implemented properly, we have been betrayed. They want what is best for our country and net zero and all the woke stuff is destroying our way of life. We will have to agree to disagree. You should watch Reform's Conferences and then you might learn something. Ben Habib, Ann Widdecombe, Dr. David Bull, you need to hear what they have to say. There is nothing wrong with Tory values and most people don't want the woke agendas. Nigel Farage is not far right, you need to see more of what he has to say. He is a decent human being and has more common sense than all the other parties put together.

I'm interested that a private dentist thinks people pay out thousands on holidays etc. I haven't had a holiday in years, don't go to hairdresser or nail bar, I have to find several thousand for necessary treatment as a result of a severe illness. Finance would be 400 a month, I don't have 40 a month left over, I wonder what his suggestion would be

Curtaintwitcher
I had been planning to vote for Richard Tice's party but, now that I've read their manifesto, I've changed my mind. They support hunting, which I deplore. Killing animals for pleasure is morally wrong and I will not vote for a party which supports it.

Me too. I’m against any kind of animal cruelty. It’s not just the foxes, it’s the poor dogs too. They’re treated abysmally and unfortunately, animals are the last thing most people think about when voting for a political party.

I would never have voted for any party led by Corbyn, but I guess nowadays, as he’s an irrelevant independent, it’s just a case of voting for what party suits you best.

No party can fulfil every wish.

spabbygirl

manifestos can easily be ignored, like the Tories for the last election they didn't say they are privatising the NHS but thats exactly what they've done to the dental system. I want the NHS to be fit, healthy & well funded even if I pay more tax so I'm voting Labour they set up the NHS in the face of Tory opposition so they get my vote now

Many things have decided dentists to work privately, since about 1992. Easily looked up. After Major who was PM at the time, Labour won a massive majority, headed by Blair, who did nothing at all to sort this out, in fact he as quoted as saying, "he was powerless to increase access to NHS dentistry, and that he couldnt force dentists to do NHS work instead of private". So blame on both sides I would argue.
As my local private dentist has stated, "people will pay thousands on holidays, car repair, nail and beauty treatment,but they won't pay out for something that is essential to health, dental care".

MayBee70

Can anyone explain to me why, especially as he isn’t even standing for election, he is always being interviewed on tv?

Indeed. He has, I believe, been on QT more times than Caroline Lucas MP, ex leader of the Green Party.

Anyone who even contemplates voting Reform need to do at least some research! It is a Company. God help us all.

M0nica

I think he has possibly confused what the non-Labour party member supporter will vote for with what left wing party members want.

I think a lot of the Conservative vote in the last election had more to do with ordinary Labour voters (not party members) being concerned by the left wing policies that would come with Corbyn, than them actively supporting Conservative policies. Now the Labour party has swung back towards the centre, the voters will return to them, regardless of whether the Conservatives have been good bad or indifferent in government.

What was particularly “left wing” about Corbyn’s policies as set out in the manifesto 2019. Here’s a reminder (in brief)
1. Increase Health Budget
2. Hold a Second Referendum on Brexit
3. Raise minimum wage
4. Stop pension age rises
5. Introduce a national care service
6. Bring forward net zero target.
7. Stop universal credit. Reform benefit system
8. Nationalise Key Industries
9. Abolish private schools’ charitable status
10. Free bus travel for under 25s
11. EU Nationals right to remain
12. Build 100,000 council houses a year

Socialist policies which we could do with now. Taxing wealth would be another useful step forward.

MayBee70

Can anyone explain to me why, especially as he isn’t even standing for election, he is always being interviewed on tv?

God knows, but after this morning anyone who interviews him again needs their heads examined.

Can anyone explain to me why, especially as he isn’t even standing for election, he is always being interviewed on tv?

Well they will clearly appeal to all the nastiest racists in the U.K., after listening to Farage spew his vile opinions about every Muslim in the U.K. this morning.

Same here. I have even contacted them regarding this, one candidate didn’t even realise it was in their policy paper and Richard Tice sent me a generic reply thanking me for my feedback. I told them both that I know there are more pressing things going on, but this is a huge thing for me and like-minded friends. They can not rely on our votes

Curtaintwitcher

I had been planning to vote for Richard Tice's party but, now that I've read their manifesto, I've changed my mind. They support hunting, which I deplore. Killing animals for pleasure is morally wrong and I will not vote for a party which supports it.

I had no idea about that, I must inform other members of my family that have been talking of voting for them!

Casdon

We know which corner it won’t be now though Monica. I don’t think the Tories can say the same, and I’m not sure where the Lib Dem’s are going.

Do we? never under estimate Labour's ability to shoot itself in the foot!

The Conservatives are running right so fast they are no longer worth taking any notice of. No one in their senses could bring themselves to vote for them, well OK a few camp follower running with them.

As for the LibDems, sigh,

Owen Jones believes his own publicity, but I don't think he is the big consideration that he likes to think he is. I just see a rather silly petulant boy when he is on TV.

I doubt Jones has much influence on the voters (other than among a slice of Guardianistas). And I doubt Labour under Starmer will go Left or that Starmer faces any risk of being replaced once they are in power. PMs are far more secure than the media tend to think. All parties are compromises, even Reform, and one has to accept that. Not voting for a party because of one policy seems to avoid the compromise reality. Plenty of people voted for Labour in past times even though it supported the nuclear deterrent just as plenty voted for the Tories despite their industrial policy under Mrs Thatcher.

We know which corner it won’t be now though Monica. I don’t think the Tories can say the same, and I’m not sure where the Lib Dem’s are going.

I’m very glad now Labour has turned the corner

The problem with Labour is that it is always turning corners - and one is never sure which direction the next one will be.

My PM is Peter Kylie - a good constituent mp and certainly not a Corbyn supporter.

Voting for other than Labour would have been a completely wasted vote.

I actually voted Lib Dem, who had more chance of being elected here than Labour, I felt one of Corbyn’s weaknesses was his ambivalence about many issues, including Brexit. I’m very glad now Labour has turned the corner - I noticed on the election poll tracker that the lead over the Tories is creeping up now, 22% today.

Casdon

Corbyn would never have cut it as Prime Minister, he doesn’t have the necessary skills. I’m not sure in retrospect though that his personal views were any more extreme than those of some of the Tory PMs, cabinet ministers, or certainly than Farage.
One thing the last few years have taught me is that it was Hobson’s choice in 2017 and 2019.

Yes I do agree, but I was so worried about what would happen post Brexit and with Johnson in charge, I made what I considered the best of a poor choice.

Corbyn would never have cut it as Prime Minister, he doesn’t have the necessary skills. I’m not sure in retrospect though that his personal views were any more extreme than those of some of the Tory PMs, cabinet ministers, or certainly than Farage.
One thing the last few years have taught me is that it was Hobson’s choice in 2017 and 2019.

As I said imo my vote has been entirely vindicated.