Changed my mind about voting for Reform uk

CMA03 you state it isn’t I’m their manifesto. It is in their policies and having had an email conversation with my local Reform representative, who hadn’t realised what was written in the policies, I was told that it certainly implies that they do intend to revoke the hunting ban.

It isn’t a manifesto. And they aren’t a party…..they are a limited company with a contract.

The Reform party has not yet published its manifesto.\
Those of you who are critical should perhaps try to study it again when it IS published on the 17th of June!!!!

I imagine the info is from this, possibly something more recent, but quite clear.check out Farage on this: its via the countryside alliance.

www.countryside-alliance.org/resources/news/nigel-farage-of-ukip-writes-for-us

"We and the rest of our party know that the British countryside must not be some playground for Green party ideology, nor just a weekend retreat for people who don't have time to get to Tuscany. The countryside is farming, hunting, fishing, shooting, conservation, and relentless hard work by every man and woman trying to make a living in any of it. "

My party believes that the decision to reinstate hunting should be a decision made by each county. If Leicestershire hunt supporters gather enough signatures for a county referendum, and win the vote, they can get back hunting in Leicestershire

It doesn't mention fox-hunting in the manifesto (they refer to it as their contract). Are you sure that it's not just fake news you've read to put you off voting for them?

www.reformparty.uk/our-contract-contents

Reform can parrot any uncosted bilge they like as they know they won’t have to implement any of it. I’m guessing that most people who vote for them won’t know that they are voting for a limited company making money for Tice and Farage.

growstuff

You're right, of course, Cossy.

Are the people who go along with it in denial or trying to cover up their true opinions?

I have no idea, but I actually think they truly believe that they are not racist, bigoted or prejudice and, worse, that they represent and speak for most British people! They do not speak for me!

The myth that the right, particularly the far right, continually

Yes that is so true Cossy.

You're right, of course, Cossy.

Are the people who go along with it in denial or trying to cover up their true opinions?

growstuff

Because people who share Farage’s bigoted views about Muslims tend to be just a tad racist, but won’t own up to it. Often they are people who gain all their information from others, with no personal experience of the actual issues themselves.

Any decent human being knows that majority of all religions/races/ethnicities are decent, honest, peace loving people.

SOME Muslims support Hamas.
SOME Irish support IRA.
SOME Europeans support facism.

To tar an entire cohort of people with the same brush is just prejudice.

Many Moslems do, and have, integrated.

Cossy

JudyBloom

HouseplantQueen and Tin Soldier - Yes I have read Reform Party's Contract/Manifesto. You have got it all wrong about them, they are not fascists/far right. I wouldn't be voting for them if they were. Brexit was never implemented properly, we have been betrayed. They want what is best for our country and net zero and all the woke stuff is destroying our way of life. We will have to agree to disagree. You should watch Reform's Conferences and then you might learn something. Ben Habib, Ann Widdecombe, Dr. David Bull, you need to hear what they have to say. There is nothing wrong with Tory values and most people don't want the woke agendas. Nigel Farage is not far right, you need to see more of what he has to say. He is a decent human being and has more common sense than all the other parties put together.

Ann Widecombe, the woman who consistently voted against gays having the same rights as heterosexual couples and who believes in aversion therapy for gay people!! No thank you.

As for Nigel Farage being a decent human being, he’s a snake oil hypocrite!

Man of the people 😂😂😂😂😂

Most people with any sense see through Farage's weasel words and dog whistling.

People are entitled to agree with him, so I don't understand why they have to deny what their real agenda is. At least be honest about it!

“Farage: We have never before seen anything like this. You think about West Indian immigration into Britain, the post-World War. There were a lot of shared things shared history, shared culture, shared religion. In many cases, most families that came could say one of their family had served with British forces in World War One. World War two. Love of cricket. You know, the list goes on. But there were commonalities and, you know, as you know, with your previous job, the key to immigration is integration. If you get integration it works.”

Historical fact, those who came across here in the 60’s to do jobs home grown Brits refused to do, were treated appallingly, they were treated as second class citizens, I’ve seen so many documentaries and interviews I was frankly ashamed!

JudyBloom

HouseplantQueen and Tin Soldier - Yes I have read Reform Party's Contract/Manifesto. You have got it all wrong about them, they are not fascists/far right. I wouldn't be voting for them if they were. Brexit was never implemented properly, we have been betrayed. They want what is best for our country and net zero and all the woke stuff is destroying our way of life. We will have to agree to disagree. You should watch Reform's Conferences and then you might learn something. Ben Habib, Ann Widdecombe, Dr. David Bull, you need to hear what they have to say. There is nothing wrong with Tory values and most people don't want the woke agendas. Nigel Farage is not far right, you need to see more of what he has to say. He is a decent human being and has more common sense than all the other parties put together.

Ann Widecombe, the woman who consistently voted against gays having the same rights as heterosexual couples and who believes in aversion therapy for gay people!! No thank you.

As for Nigel Farage being a decent human being, he’s a snake oil hypocrite!

Man of the people 😂😂😂😂😂

Freya5

Nicenanny3

12:53Whitewavemark2

You were misquoting and twisting what Nigel Farage said (I've just watched the interview) he said a growing number of young people (Muslims) do not share our views, he did not say not a single Muslim in the UK shares our values and that they are not patriotic, also a poll showed that 46% of young Muslims supported Hamas.

Yes I listened to, just to get the truth about what was said.
I also remember the poll.
People will twist what is said to suit their own agenda.

Like you are doing.

Nicenanny3

growstuff

And so are you.

Ha ha sticks and stones and all that so typical of the left name calling. She twisted his words.

Watch the interview for yourself. Whitewave didn't twist Farage's words. That's what he said. What is it about lying and expecting people to believe you?

Nicenanny3

16:21Freya5

I agree Freya I thought it was a terrible interview Phillips wouldn't let Nigel Farage get a word in and was trying to put words into his mouth.

What nonsense! It was the other way round.

Whatever happened to the truth?

Reform are just UKIP, mark two. One trick ponies, carting around the extreme rhetoric they think appeals to some.

But, I would never have voted for anything Corbyn was involved in either.

Just as extreme. 🙄

Freya
Nicenanny3

Have you actually ever met any Muslims?

Whitewavemark2

Muslim reaction

“Zara Mohammed, the secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said Farage was doing what he did best, expressing “horribly Islamophobic, racist and hate-filled rhetoric of misinformation”.

👏👏👏👏

Nicenanny3

The fact that you voted for Jeremy Corbyn a known Hamas supporter/friend perhaps you think it's OK for 46% of young Muslims to support Hamas, I noticed you never mentioned this 🤔

That’s absolute rubbish!

Jeremy Corbyn neither supports nor has befriended Hamas. He stated very clearly in 2023 that Hamas ARE a terrorist group.

I also don’t believe the statistics about young Muslims, however if you bother to look back to WW2 and see what has happened to the Palestines across the decades and you’ll understand how now they feel they only have Hamas. I do not support Hamas or any other terrorist group, but I absolutely understand what led to this situation.

16:21Freya5

I agree Freya I thought it was a terrible interview Phillips wouldn't let Nigel Farage get a word in and was trying to put words into his mouth.

Muslim reaction

“Zara Mohammed, the secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said Farage was doing what he did best, expressing “horribly Islamophobic, racist and hate-filled rhetoric of misinformation”.

LizzieDrip

I agree with Whitewave … I wish more people would read manifestos in the build-up to a GE!

Me too. I know that the things aren’t always followed through, it does give the flavour of their values etc.

growstuff

And so are you.

Ha ha sticks and stones and all that so typical of the left name calling. She twisted his words.

Whitewavemark2

Transcript to allow people to make up their own minds

Farage: we have a growing number of young people in this country who do not subscribe to British values. In fact, loathe much of what we stand for.

Philips: Who are we talking about there?

Nigel Farage: Oh, I think we see them on the streets of London every Saturday

Phillips: Are we talking about Muslims here?

Farage: We are. And I'm afraid I found some of the recent surveys saying that 46% of British Muslims support Hamas, a terrorist organisation that is described in this country. And this prime minister, is building far more of that population than anybody before in history.

Phillips: Are you sure you want to make the blanket accusation that you've just made, that Muslims are somehow less patriotic than other British people?

Farage: We have never before seen anything like this. You think about West Indian immigration into Britain, the post-World War. There were a lot of shared things shared history, shared culture, shared religion. In many cases, most families that came could say one of their family had served with British forces in World War One. World War two. Love of cricket. You know, the list goes on. But there were commonalities and, you know, as you know, with your previous job, the key to immigration is integration. If you get integration it works.

Phillips: I'm going to stop you there and I'm going to say two things. First of all, you're right. I come from that stock. But let us remember that my stock, my ancestors for the best part of 7 or 800 years were Muslims until they were forcibly converted to Christians by slave owners. So when you talk about Muslims as hostile to British values, no, I don't really see how you arrive at that conclusion. And secondly, trying to say to me, you know, actually, you guys are not really like these other guys. Can you imagine how offensive that is to British Muslims, can you imagine? Let me ask you to put yourself in the shoes of a British Muslim. Can you imagine how offensive that feels?

So Trevor Phillips who said exactly that himself, is nothing but a hypocrite. I've just listened to a Barrister disseminating this, he concluded that what Farage said was not racist.
You didn't have to do any transcribing, people can read the true version on you tube, and listen to it .
As I said before people will twist things to suit their own agenda.
Until I hear something from a British Muslim about this, I will not get offended on their behalf.
When you look what is happening on our streets with some Muslims demanding sharia law, and jihad, openly supporting Hamas, then I agree that not ALL Muslims are compatible with our culture of democracy.