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I’ve just ordered the away kit for my ten year old grandson. I only care that it will put a smile on his little face. Ridiculous price. Ordered direct from Nike. Will be here Wednesday and then we’ll pack and send to New Zealand.

Glorianny.
Since you’re talking about things other than the football strip, (see your link) it seems that if something doesn’t suit others it must be changed to suit them, but not the other way round.
Re football strips, the shirts chosen have to have their favourite name on the back to have any value for the purchaser. Nike obviously have money in mind, and their playful is the latest strategy to promote sales together with collar up/collar down. Just a shame they had to mess with the England flag to do it.

Pantglas2

“Clue- kids buy the strips of their football heroes no matter what their nationality.”

They do Glorianny - but the sales of heroes’ (Messi/Ronaldo/Mbappe, whoever) shirts will be of their Club not normally their country!

With my own grandsons I’ve been asked to purchase all three of the above but not one Argentinian, Portugese or French shirt with their name on. It’s the footballer they admire not their nationality.

Oh, my DGS3 goes the whole hog! He’s a fan of the Brazilian Ronaldo, and not only have I spent hours sourcing the 1998 Inter Milan Ronaldo 9 kit for his birthday, I’m about to leap out of bed and ice the Ronaldo 9 Brazil shirt cake I prepared earlier for his party tomorrow. There’s a lot of yellow fondant involved.

I very nearly made a huge faux pas by ordering a Ronaldo 7 birthday card from Thortful. Wrong Ronaldo, wrong country, wrong number……

Mollygo

Yes I hear you Glorianny. If something doesn’t suit others. It must be changed. So equally, they should accept the groups that you are always going on about.
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I didn't say that. I gave the commercial reason Nike may be doing this. I have no real interest in what football kit anyone wears. It's a purely objective comment. (I realise you find that concept difficult)

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Callistemon21

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Do you think a logo supporting LGBTQ etc would go down better in Muslim countries, then, M0nica?

I'm not sure.

Callistemon You have lost me, all I said was not the English flag'. I did not suggest what the alternative should be.

I think the shirt for kids is £110, the adult one £125. What a ripoff. Wouldn’t matter what colour the logo was, I wouldn’t buy one.

Yes I hear you Glorianny. If something doesn’t suit others. It must be changed. So equally, they should accept the groups that you are always going on about.
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Callistemon21

Glorianny

Callistemon21

Mollygo

Callistemon21

Why would people in "Muslim countries" want to buy an England kit? 🤔
They would support their own football teams surely?

If someone doesn't like the national flag of England why would they support the team or buy the flag?

I’m puzzled by the Muslim countries when combined with the idea that it’s to do with LGBT.
As far as I’m aware, Muslim countries see those 4 groups as unacceptable even inviting death penalty -so why mention them in relation to wanting to change football kit?

I know, Mollygo which makes Glorianny's posts even more risible.

Nike is jumping on what it thinks is the latest bandwagon and scored an own goal in the process.

I didn't mention LGBT I did mention the red cross seen by many as a symbol of western oppression.
Nike is looking at a world market
Why does a UK soccer kit sales site market Portuguese strips in £s? www.uksoccershop.com/football-shirts/international/europe/portugal
Clue- kids buy the strips of their football heroes no matter what their nationality.

What about Portuguese oppression?

What is the most widely spoken language in the Southern Hemisphere?
And why?

No doubt there are countries where the Portuguese flag isn't liked.
But the symbolism of the red cross, its links with the Crusades and its rejection by people in the Middle East is widely known.
Here's an explanation. A Muslim can work with the Red Cross organisation but must not wear its uniform
Read More on islamonline: fiqh.islamonline.net/en/working-with-the-red-cross-and-wearing-its-uniform/

Seeing as football tournaments are played in every corner of the world, why should any country ever have to fear negative or adverse reactions just because their kit expresses their identity in the form of their flag?

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Do you think a logo supporting LGBTQ etc would go down better in Muslim countries, then, M0nica?

I'm not sure.

No, I am suggesting that a limited edition of the England kit should be brought out that does not offend a region where the red on white flag has very different associations. In the same way that if a company had, for historical reasons, a Star of David as a logo, they would downplay it when selling it in muslim countries.

I am not woke in any way, but there are times, places and events where discretion is the better part of valour.

For adults Callistemon. The children’s are a bit cheaper. Not that much though.

£120?

I wouldn’t spend £120 on a shiny synthetic shirt. Don’t care about the flag - prefer the new colours.

Callistemon21

So are you suggesting England should change its national flag because some countries may not like it M0nica?

Evidently. The same way as we feel some countries should change their treatment of various groups because we may not like it.
Will that happen?🤣🤣🤣

So are you suggesting England should change its national flag because some countries may not like it M0nica?

There is huge support for British footballt teams worldwide that has nothing to do with national loyalties.

The biggest and most lucrative market is in Asia, where the proprtion of muslims in the population is relatively small.

I agree the Crusader cross will not go down in the Middle East, so the simplest thing is for Nike to bring out a limited edition kit for muslim countries and the rest of the world can have the main stream kit with the English flag.

Vim and Ajax.

Is there a football team called Vim? It means vigor

I remember that bath cleaner, it scratched the bath. Horrible stuff.

Joseann

Yes, 25Avalon. The price is criminal, but DGS lives, sleeps and everything else in his kits.
I brought him the Dutch one back from Holland last month, and proudly handed it to him pronouncing the name like the gumption. "Grandma, it's said Aiyax, don't you know." 🇳🇱

Oh, I thought that was an old tin of bath cleaner and wondered what it was doing on a thread about football 😂

Thank you Joseann's DGS, I've learnt something new

Callistemon21

Anyway, as your arguments hold no water, there is not point continuing to respond.

Well put!👏👏👏

mabon1

First world problem.

And so is nasty divorce and no child should suffer because of this.

Personally I have no problem with Nike for creating it, it is their business, but a major problem with the FA for sanctioning it.

Jaberwok

I'd love to hear what the Scots would say if the Saltire were to be tampered with in this way. Also the French with the Tricolore?! Eeek!

Nicola Sturgeon gave Covid updates in front of a backdrop which had the Saltire's colours (intentionally) reversed. It was only 'corrected' when they discovered it was the flag flown by the Russian navy since the 18th century.