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Joseann Fri 22-Mar-24 10:22:45

Is it really "playful" to change the national flag on the England kit? Or just someone trying to be clever?

mabon1 Fri 22-Mar-24 16:12:32

First world problem.

Pantglas2 Fri 22-Mar-24 16:05:42

“Clue- kids buy the strips of their football heroes no matter what their nationality.”

They do Glorianny - but the sales of heroes’ (Messi/Ronaldo/Mbappe, whoever) shirts will be of their Club not normally their country!

With my own grandsons I’ve been asked to purchase all three of the above but not one Argentinian, Portugese or French shirt with their name on. It’s the footballer they admire not their nationality.

maddyone Fri 22-Mar-24 15:44:45

I would definitely deprive myself if I thought something wasn’t worth the money, but I’m not going to deprive a little boy who is going through so much difficulty at the moment.

Bridie22 Fri 22-Mar-24 15:39:10

Just boycott the shirts, they will see people's disappointment in their loss of sales.

Desdemona Fri 22-Mar-24 15:35:29

Why do people have to mess with things these days, and create problems where there weren't any - nothing wrong with the original England flag is there?

maddyone Fri 22-Mar-24 15:27:47

Joseann my grandson is the same. Long gone are the days when his mum could dress him up in cute Jules or JoJo Mamon Bebe clothes. He’s football mad, and keenly follows the football action in the UK. He loves his kits and has many. At least he can pass them down to his younger brother.

Jaxjacky Fri 22-Mar-24 15:24:26

A big mistake by Nike.
Btw Glorianny it’s Ronaldo and he moved to a Saudi club in January 2023, Al Nassr, so does not wear a Portuguese strip.
However, there are approx 170,000 Portuguese people, either by birth or heritage living in the UK who may wish to buy a Portuguese kit.

maddyone Fri 22-Mar-24 15:23:49

I know Avalon, it’s outrageous isn’t it? But these children live in New Zealand and are going through a very difficult divorce process at the moment, and I like to spoil them and also as well as visiting, and them visiting us, we like to keep in touch with regular WhatsApp chats and by sending regular parcels. The parcel I just send only added up to the same amount I’ll be spending on that one football kit. But like Joseann I think the away kit, being purple, is a bit different and nicer, and his mum agreed when I discussed it with her.
The price of these kits is quite ridiculous for both adults and children.

Joseann Fri 22-Mar-24 15:17:07

Yes, 25Avalon. The price is criminal, but DGS lives, sleeps and everything else in his kits.
I brought him the Dutch one back from Holland last month, and proudly handed it to him pronouncing the name like the gumption. "Grandma, it's said Aiyax, don't you know." 🇳🇱

25Avalon Fri 22-Mar-24 15:08:01

Maddyone have you seen the price of this kit? Joseanne hope you dgs can afford it. Kit companies charge way too much.
I don’t think they should alter our flag but ultimately the blame has to lie at the door of our FA who commissioned it. BTW it is not the colour of the 66 kit despite what they try to say.

Callistemon21 Fri 22-Mar-24 15:04:33

‘The trim on the cuffs takes its cues from the training gear worn by England’s 1966 heroes, with a gradient of blues and reds topped with purple. The same colours also feature an interpretation of the flag of St. George on the back of the collar.’

An interpretation of the flag of St George grin
What a load of old foot balls.

Joseann Fri 22-Mar-24 14:58:37

I'm not greatly offended by it, it is supposed to be something to do with 1966 World Cup colours I think. I just don't get why a country's flag, which is a recognisable symbol everywhere, needs to be changed, or where does it stop?
The purple kit is a nice colour, and DGS is hoping to buy it at Wembley on Saturday when he goes to the Brazil match, (he hasnt been successful in getting it online). At 8 years old, I don't think he will be too bothered, especially after 10 days of nasty chicken pox!
I agree with Jaberwok, try doing that with the French tricolore.

Callistemon21 Fri 22-Mar-24 14:58:06

Anyway, as your arguments hold no water, there is not point continuing to respond.

Callistemon21 Fri 22-Mar-24 14:57:36

Glorianny

Callistemon21

Mollygo

Callistemon21

Why would people in "Muslim countries" want to buy an England kit? 🤔
They would support their own football teams surely?

If someone doesn't like the national flag of England why would they support the team or buy the flag?

I’m puzzled by the Muslim countries when combined with the idea that it’s to do with LGBT.
As far as I’m aware, Muslim countries see those 4 groups as unacceptable even inviting death penalty -so why mention them in relation to wanting to change football kit?

I know, Mollygo which makes Glorianny's posts even more risible.

Nike is jumping on what it thinks is the latest bandwagon and scored an own goal in the process.

I didn't mention LGBT I did mention the red cross seen by many as a symbol of western oppression.
Nike is looking at a world market
Why does a UK soccer kit sales site market Portuguese strips in £s? www.uksoccershop.com/football-shirts/international/europe/portugal
Clue- kids buy the strips of their football heroes no matter what their nationality.

What about Portuguese oppression?

What is the most widely spoken language in the Southern Hemisphere?
And why?

JudyBloom Fri 22-Mar-24 14:55:24

When are we going to stop pandering to the few. Leave our flag alone! Yet another example of bowing down to the woke mob! It's time to show some backbone and push back on all this dreadful woke nonsense, deleting our history again!

Glorianny Fri 22-Mar-24 14:48:56

Callistemon21

Mollygo

Callistemon21

Why would people in "Muslim countries" want to buy an England kit? 🤔
They would support their own football teams surely?

If someone doesn't like the national flag of England why would they support the team or buy the flag?

I’m puzzled by the Muslim countries when combined with the idea that it’s to do with LGBT.
As far as I’m aware, Muslim countries see those 4 groups as unacceptable even inviting death penalty -so why mention them in relation to wanting to change football kit?

I know, Mollygo which makes Glorianny's posts even more risible.

Nike is jumping on what it thinks is the latest bandwagon and scored an own goal in the process.

I didn't mention LGBT I did mention the red cross seen by many as a symbol of western oppression.
Nike is looking at a world market
Why does a UK soccer kit sales site market Portuguese strips in £s? www.uksoccershop.com/football-shirts/international/europe/portugal
Clue- kids buy the strips of their football heroes no matter what their nationality.

Callistemon21 Fri 22-Mar-24 14:28:23

It is quite pretty, but just meaningless as a national football kit.

Callistemon21 Fri 22-Mar-24 14:27:21

Mollygo

Callistemon21

Why would people in "Muslim countries" want to buy an England kit? 🤔
They would support their own football teams surely?

If someone doesn't like the national flag of England why would they support the team or buy the flag?

I’m puzzled by the Muslim countries when combined with the idea that it’s to do with LGBT.
As far as I’m aware, Muslim countries see those 4 groups as unacceptable even inviting death penalty -so why mention them in relation to wanting to change football kit?

I know, Mollygo which makes Glorianny's posts even more risible.

Nike is jumping on what it thinks is the latest bandwagon and scored an own goal in the process.

Mollygo Fri 22-Mar-24 13:47:00

Callistemon21

Why would people in "Muslim countries" want to buy an England kit? 🤔
They would support their own football teams surely?

If someone doesn't like the national flag of England why would they support the team or buy the flag?

I’m puzzled by the Muslim countries when combined with the idea that it’s to do with LGBT.
As far as I’m aware, Muslim countries see those 4 groups as unacceptable even inviting death penalty -so why mention them in relation to wanting to change football kit?

maddyone Fri 22-Mar-24 13:45:54

I think I’m going to buy the away kit because it’s purple and will make a nice change. He’s absolutely football mad, wears various football kits almost all the time when he’s not wearing school uniform, and already has an old white England kit. Although living in New Zealand for the last two and a half years, he is an English boy through and through.
I got the el cheapo version for his six year old brother which has his own name printed on the back which he loves. His sister got a Swiftie sweatshirt. That parcel with a few other bits arrived last week, but the football kit will go separately when I can actually buy it.

OldFrill Fri 22-Mar-24 13:25:17

maddyone

I think they should have stuck to the proper England flag. My grandson is going to be very disappointed and puzzled when I sent him the kit as he’s in New Zealand. He’s ten years old and doesn’t read news or at his age, understand woke. I’m not sure that at his CofE school in NZ he will have heard of trans or woke.

You can buy a version with the real flag on, it's considerably more expensive.

OldFrill Fri 22-Mar-24 13:24:12

I suspect they did it promote their brand - certainly has got attention.
This is why they said they've done it (BBC)

The US firm said the colours were inspired by the training kit worn by England's 1966 World Cup winners.

Jaberwok Fri 22-Mar-24 13:07:09

I'd love to hear what the Scots would say if the Saltire were to be tampered with in this way. Also the French with the Tricolore?! Eeek!

GrannyGravy13 Fri 22-Mar-24 12:48:47

Changing the 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 does not and will not alter history.

Glorianny Fri 22-Mar-24 12:45:33

If people don't understand the significance of the red cross and its history in the Middle East then I can only suggest they read up about it.
Of course not all Muslims have an aversion to the Red cross but some do. And Nike will be well aware of the markets they are appealing to.
Why is it irrelevant to say some children wear Portuguese strips because of Rinaldo? obviously some children will wear English strips if they have a favourite footballer regardless of nationality.