Is JK Rowling pushing the boundaries too far?

JaneJudge

No one has suggested removing trans rights as part of the equality act have they?

Yes, Rishi Sunak indeed did and some would agree with him

Doodledog

Ok. I know I've asked this before, but let's see if you answer this time.

Where the rights of women include single-sex rights (eg the right to have informed consent about who touches them, or to decide who is around when they undress), how do you reconcile women's rights with what you see as the right of male-bodied people to ignore those single sex rights? Do the women just relinquish them, or do the male bodied people understand that just because they want something doesn't mean that they have a right to have it?

I have answered this many times

Separate changing rooms should always be provided. Many women are uncomfortable undressing in front of anyone

There are also many scenarios where sex based care cannot be guaranteed, when calling an ambulance or who is available for emergency surgery as examples. However elsewhere it is entirely up to the organisation involved to distribute their staff in such a way this does not impact anyone's rights.

No one has suggested removing trans rights as part of the equality act have they?

VioletSky

Again, there are those who want to remove trans rights, saying those rights must be protected is not the same as saying they are being denied

Gobbledygook.
What rights are you talking about
Removing trans rights?
-protected?
-being denied?
Can you truthfully say that you support female rights to have places and events frequently listed on here, free from male presence or would you always support the male right to have what they want. (TIM are males)

Ok. I know I've asked this before, but let's see if you answer this time.

Where the rights of women include single-sex rights (eg the right to have informed consent about who touches them, or to decide who is around when they undress), how do you reconcile women's rights with what you see as the right of male-bodied people to ignore those single sex rights? Do the women just relinquish them, or do the male bodied people understand that just because they want something doesn't mean that they have a right to have it?

Smileless2012

You are one of the posters whose been asked that question on numerous occasions by me and others VS and it's usual in discussions to answer questions when asked.

I am not sure how to explain this to you in a way that you will understand

I cannot answer a question that doesn't relate to me, that is not possible...

What I can do is talk about protecting the trans rights that actually exist.

For instance those given by the equality act that people would like to remove

I agree with the equality act as it stands in regard to women and trans people. Always have

You are one of the posters whose been asked that question on numerous occasions by me and others VS and it's usual in discussions to answer questions when asked.

Yes it has happened

And so my trust of people on these threads is very low sadly and I leave them often

Does it explain how you might take comments the wrong way VS, I see that once again you are making accusations of being attacked on a personal level.

Smileless2012

You can't answer it VS. It's been asked countless times by numerous posters to you and Glorianny over various threads and has never been answered, because there aren't any rights that everyone apart from the trans community has.

Why would I need to answer it? Your conversations with others have nothing to do with me

Smileless2012

What no ability to be aggressive, sarcastic etc or no ability to see that in others VS?

Again, I cannot read in those tones of voice in my head, I just read deadpan

You can't answer it VS. It's been asked countless times by numerous posters to you and Glorianny over various threads and has never been answered, because there aren't any rights that everyone apart from the trans community has.

Again, there are those who want to remove trans rights, saying those rights must be protected is not the same as saying they are being denied

What no ability to be aggressive, sarcastic etc or no ability to see that in others VS?

Smileless2012

You haven't answered my question VS.

They do have the right to have their pronouns respected in the workplace and for GRC, they have the same right as anyone else to be protected from being bullied and harassed and they are not having their right to gender affirming treatment denied.

So I'll ask again, what rights are they being denied because they are trans that non trans have?

I have addressed your question very clearly, I haven't asserted anything that should lead to your question so I have no need to answer it

But it easily explains how people take comments the wrong way and don't realise they are doing it, very interesting really

You haven't answered my question VS.

They do have the right to have their pronouns respected in the workplace and for GRC, they have the same right as anyone else to be protected from being bullied and harassed and they are not having their right to gender affirming treatment denied.

So I'll ask again, what rights are they being denied because they are trans that non trans have?

Someone once explained to me that if a person does not like you or your opinion, they read it in the tone of voice they have assigned to you.. that can be all sorts of things, whiny, aggressive, sarcastic etc

My autism gives me no ability to do that... So I do objectively put the content together

Dickens some is an amount of people, which I have explained many times, and I am just trying to get my opinions across without engaging in a personal or disrespectful way

Smileless2012

You say VS that your view is that everyone's rights should be heard and respected, so what rights are the trans community currently being denied, that everyone else has but them?

Ensuring people's rights are respected is more a comment on the ideal of those who want to remove them.. ie, no GRC, No rights in the workplace to have their pronouns respected, no protection from being bullied and harassed, no access to gender affirming treatment

And I am not assigning that to anyone here, simply explaining my meaning

VioletSky

My perspective is my perspective, one formulated over years reading these threads where I have time and time again tried engaging respectfully and been attacked on a personal level. where my view that we can get everyone's rights heard and respected with a common sense approach has been shut down.

If you don't like my perspective, change it... That's in your power not mine, I just say what I see

If you don't like my perspective, change it... That's in your power not mine, I just say what I see

... what do you see VS?

My perspective is my perspective, one formulated over years reading these threads where I have time and time again tried engaging respectfully and been attacked on a personal level...

But you don't engage at all VS - you just throw out these generalised accusations (of vilification and lack of "responsibility", etc)... usually aimed at some people or just people.

Because you are not addressing any one in particular - or any particular point and posters respond... these some people that you refer to. And then you get dismayed because you think you are being attacked when in fact what is happening is that you are being challenged on the assumptions you've made.

You must know, from having read the posts, that the majority posting at length on here are not vilifying the trans community, yet you persist with the accusation - and then wonder why you get a reaction which you then deem disrespectful.

Smileless2012

You say VS that your view is that everyone's rights should be heard and respected, so what rights are the trans community currently being denied, that everyone else has but them?

And what about the rights of women to decide who should see them in a state of undress, who should be able to follow them into the Ladies, who should examine them intimately if they have been raped or if their religion forbids intimate touch from male bodied people?

And yes I do believe people should be honest about their trans status dating, always. The fact that some aren't to me shows a clear lack of support in handling their own gender dysphoria... But services for trans people are being relentlessly taken down and not replaced with something fiy for purpose

We are letting all sorts of people down by not formulating a good approach across the board

You say VS that your view is that everyone's rights should be heard and respected, so what rights are the trans community currently being denied, that everyone else has but them?

It's not a lie to me to give someone their pronouns, it's a simple social etiquette. As for sex and gender, it is not a lie to me to call a trans woman a woman, albeit a trans woman... it is a truth we don't fully understand yet but we will in time

I always acknowledge the trans distinction and believe it a measure that keeps everyone's rights protected, sports fair, enables the correct medical help and many other reasons but socially I don't need it

I'm not here for trans activists and I am not here for gender critical feminism, I am here for ordinary everyday people who just want to live their ordinary everyday lives