Is JK Rowling pushing the boundaries too far?

I think you've hit the nail on the head there, Dickens. Another way to look at it is that you are only born with so many figs, and by the time you get to a certain age you have used most of them up, and only have so many figs left to give.

I think I've spelt figs correctly there, but I may be wrong.

Iam64

It’s also wrong to make assumptions about people based on what you imagine their age might be Caleo. You may need to have a word with yourself about intransigence as yiu age because it’s clear, that’s where you are right now
You forget that many of us who are posting have lived through and contributed to great social change. Being of what you call advancing age doesn’t mean we’ve lost our campaigning zeal. Just thst we don’t share your views

It’s also wrong to make assumptions about people based on what you imagine their age might be Caleo

It's said that older people are "set in their ways".

However, I've always found this applies more to a type of personality rather than old age. Some are quite inflexible long before they become elderly. I suspect they carry this intransigence with them as they age.

I think what does happen in older people sometimes is that they do not suffer fools gladly (I think this expression can be traced back to the bible). As time runs out, so does your patience - because there isn't enough of it to waste on nonsense. Though I'm speaking generally here and not specifically about this thread matter. Youth can 'afford' to be indulgent, age cannot. So maybe a kind of cynicism creeps up on you, having had to put up with a lifetime of blather and balderdash in the workplace, in various organisations one's had to deal with, and even within the family circle.

Once you retire, you're not dependent on people any longer in the way that you are when you are in school, university, or in the workplace, and you can call out posturing, deceit, dissembling, when you see it!

I think they enjoy intimidating women, and preventing us from being able to do anything without a male presence. In their world, lesbians (always a threat to INCELS and other inadequate men) can be coerced into sex with males, and gay men can be persuaded to 'transition' to female, leaving the patriarchy intact.

And they might have got away with it too, if not for the pesky feminists.

As I have posted before, I had an excellent GP ( doctor, not grandparent!) for many years, who was a transwoman.
She accepted me as a nine- month pregnant woman wanting a home delivery when few others would.
She did not make any attempt to shout her cause, simply living her life, making no reference to how difficult her journey had been, undertaking, I understand, risky surgery abroad.
All of this was forty years ago.
Her lifestyle did not feature any placard waving or hatred and, consequently, encouraged acceptance and understanding.
The high profile unpleasant trans group, I would suggest, simply provokes a negative reaction. Is this what they want?

Absolutely

Wheniwasyourage

I assumed that nanna8 is talking about the TRAs who are trying to take away women's rights in favour of trans rights.

I agree if so. It’s also true that those TRA are doing more harm than good to trans, because their violence is what hits the tabloids and the media.

Thanks. I agree, if so .

That's how I interpreted nanna's last post.

I assumed that nanna8 is talking about the TRAs who are trying to take away women's rights in favour of trans rights.

Doodledog

Which self-righteous loudmouths are these, nanna8?

Perhaps the ones mentioned by JKR?

Which self-righteous loudmouths are these, nanna8?

Our friend who is trans is a very humble unassuming woman. Certainly not and never aggressive or confrontational. She is the most talented person we know and she has actually been through hell at times. I suspect most genuine trans people are similar. Not loud mouthed, rude and aggressive in any way. I am very,very suspicious of the motives of these self righteous loud mouths and actually doubt they are genuine.

Excellent post Doodledog

Caleo

Doodledog, I wish I had not mentioned older people's tending more than younger people to have entrenched attitudes. It is a minor point, because the real danger and insult to trans people seems to be from society in general not providing sufficient facilities and education about trans people.

For instance, as an old woman myself recently recovered from a stroke I know how important it is that being bed bathed and toileted is done by care staff who are experienced in helping naked people at their most vulnerable, and I hope that an elderly trans man or trans woman in a care home or hospital will be psychologically as well cared for as I was .

Fair enough. We all say things that we wish we hadn't from time to time, and (as I know) it's maddening when something you didn't mean to be the main point ends up diverting the conversation from what you meant to say.

I don't believe, however, that the majority of the objections on GN come from people who are simply in need of education about transpeople. Many posters have transpeople in their families, and most if not all of us have met and/or worked with trans and non-binary people. Our concern is not with transpeople themselves, but with the way the trans agenda is being imposed on society to the detriment of women.

The language is being altered to exclude women, sport is becoming a male domain, data from research is unreliable because males are being recorded as females, simply at their say-so. There are fewer places of safety for women as anyone can access what used to be safe spaces simply by saying that they are women in their heads, even though they are male in their bodies. It goes on and on.

None of this means that anyone would want to see vulnerable transpeople* humiliated or in any way harmed. That is not what we are saying at all, and I share your hope that everyone being cared for is treated with respect both physically and psychologically.

* That is not to say that all transpeople are 'the most vulnerable group in society', as the mantra goes. They are not. TRAs are often strong men who enjoy using their strength and testosterone-fuelled anger against vulnerable women. If the hyperbole stopped, and the issue could be debate properly, without violence or coercion such as that faced by the likes of Kathleen Stock and others, then progress could be made.

On the whole, women (adult human females) are pretty good at compromise, but when our willingness to 'be kind' is used against us it is not unreasonable that we decide we've had enough and fight back.

Caleo I know someone who used to be a nurse, assisting at the surgery and care of transition patients back when "the op" was the only route to transitioning. She had the utmost respect for those distressed patients and their bravery at facing what was (still is) a major operation, and the post-operative ramifications of it. I am sure elderly trans people will get the same treatment from professional carers as elderly non-trans ones do. (Admittedly, it is possible that ANY vulnerable elderly patient may fall foul of a carer with lower standards - who should not be working with ANY vulnerable patient)

Callistemon, don't tempt me!

Doodledog, I wish I had not mentioned older people's tending more than younger people to have entrenched attitudes. It is a minor point, because the real danger and insult to trans people seems to be from society in general not providing sufficient facilities and education about trans people.

For instance, as an old woman myself recently recovered from a stroke I know how important it is that being bed bathed and toileted is done by care staff who are experienced in helping naked people at their most vulnerable, and I hope that an elderly trans man or trans woman in a care home or hospital will be psychologically as well cared for as I was .

Caleo

Callistemon , Alan Bates is not intransigent due to moral turpitude, or a fairly common disability of old age. His intransigence is due to his moral principles and his courage

Did I not say Perhaps a better description would be indefatigable or tenacious.?

There is no questioning his moral principles but a degree of tenaciousness is needed too in the face of such lies and opposition.

I do wonder if you are goading us?

I am 91 and still trying to understand stuff.

I think Caleo said she/he was in her/his eighties.

I may be misremembering (blame my age as it was a week or so ago).

Worrying to see such ageism on GN, Caleo.
I refute the charge of my age group (72) being unwilling to learn new things. I have undertaken yoga in retirement, am learning a new language and starting on the keyboard.
I am not alone amongst my acquaintances .
However, I do embrace intransigence when it is required.

Anyone who knew anything about this issue would know that MN not GN was the focus of the gender critical movement for want of a better word. If you popped over there you would find lots of younger women a lot more intransigent (translation brave) than anyone on here. No offence to anyone on here, I think the feminist approach on here to this subject is amazing, and I know many on here wouldnt see themselves as feminists

Can you provide evidence of the statistically significant correlation between advancing age and intransigent attitude towards learning something new Caleo ?

It’s also wrong to make assumptions about people based on what you imagine their age might be Caleo. You may need to have a word with yourself about intransigence as yiu age because it’s clear, that’s where you are right now
You forget that many of us who are posting have lived through and contributed to great social change. Being of what you call advancing age doesn’t mean we’ve lost our campaigning zeal. Just thst we don’t share your views

Your intransigence seems already to be part of your lifestyle Caleo. Which age group does that mean you fit into, I wonder.