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Is JK Rowling pushing the boundaries too far?

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RosiesMaw Tue 02-Apr-24 13:31:14

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Well pigeons, cat and among , but with reference to the particular examples she instances I am team JK.
Scotland is digging a massive hole for itself with regard to so-called “hate crime” and if it wasn’t that 1984 was 40 years ago I’d say it had arrived.

Aveline Tue 02-Apr-24 16:58:35

Elegran I had a go at the consultation but it's a typical Scottish government clunky format. They really don't want to be disagreed with.

Jalyn Tue 02-Apr-24 16:57:00

I stand with JKR!!

Urmstongran Tue 02-Apr-24 16:51:37

If you are born male you have male chromosomes and remain a male for the entirety of your life irrespective of what you tell yourself, irrespective of what surgery you have or what pills you take, oh and just so there is no mistake - what the law says on the matter is also irrelevant in terms of biology as it changes nothing other than create a legal fiction - there you go simple really - JKR Well done !

Urmstongran Tue 02-Apr-24 16:45:28

I bet the majority of men are on her side as well.

fancythat Tue 02-Apr-24 16:39:04

Sharron Davies has been doing her best for years too.

Urmstongran Tue 02-Apr-24 16:38:04

Another here with Team JKR! Taking the fight to Police Scotland rather than passively waiting for her collar to be felt. She has published a list of 10 men who dress as women and who have used this subterfuge to commit heinous acts against girls. As she’s said (tongue firmly in cheek) “you go gurl!”.

Mind you a third of the police are unsure about the criteria yet for arrest. This is one helluva dog’s dinner Law. Yusef is on a hiding to nothing.

fancythat Tue 02-Apr-24 16:37:59

And this. Football match.
I have had a pig of a day already, so not going to find a non dm link for it.

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13263361/Ally-McCoist-Scotland-new-hate-crime-law-Rangers-Celtic-JK-Rowling.html

NannyJan53 Tue 02-Apr-24 16:32:55

I too stand with J K Rowling! Absolutely

Elegran Tue 02-Apr-24 16:27:51

If anyone in Scotland would like to add their two-penn'orth to the current consultation on the imminent legislation on "Ending conversion practices" which will make it a crime ( liable to up to 7 years in jail) for anyone, such as parents or teachers, to NOT automatically affirm the wish of a child in their care to change their gender, just go to consult.gov.scot/equality-and-human-rights/ending-conversion-practices/consultation BEFORE 11.59pm TONIGHT and answer the questions. The consultation ends tonight, 2nd April.

You may find it helpful to first read -
forwomen.scot/30/03/2024/ending-conversion-practices-consultation-guidance
and/or -
static1.squarespace.com/static/6200252604e9795287de2ada/t/66053dbb7d2ee12dc8dbde67/1711619516461/GMN_ScotlandCTConsultationResponse_Branded.pdf

Aveline Tue 02-Apr-24 15:59:40

She puts her money where her mouth is. When she found out that the local rape crisis service was run by a transwoman who said the the poor women had to learn about gender as part of their rehabilitation, she set up and funded an all female organisation for them.

Primrose53 Tue 02-Apr-24 15:46:02

👏👏👏JKR👏👏👏

petra Tue 02-Apr-24 15:45:55

I wonder if she has anyone in mind to MisGender first. It’s not as if she will have to look far.
She’s ready for this fight 😀

Callistemon21 Tue 02-Apr-24 15:44:31

No, she is not. She's a brave woman standing up for the rights of women and girls, which are being eroded steadily.

An amendment to add sex to the list of protected characteristics was voted down, despite cross-party MSPs raising concerns about why women were excluded.

Yesterday, protesters gathered outside the Scottish Parliament to demonstrate against the Act’s introduction, but Mr Yousaf claimed it was needed thanks to “a rising tide of hatred against the people because of their protected characteristics”. Pressed on Rowling’s views, he said the police would investigate if a crime had been committed and the Crown Office would decide “if there is a sufficiency of evidence to charge”.

The man's a dangerous fool.

Sparklefizz Tue 02-Apr-24 15:43:51

I stand with JKR. She’s a heroine!

Grannybags Tue 02-Apr-24 15:40:52

JKR 👏👏👏

NanKate Tue 02-Apr-24 15:37:57

Well done JKR for standing up for women. I’m pleased Rishi has backed her. I wonder if Starmer is brave enough to back her too, I doubt it.

When I go to my WI I wear my suffragette broach, especially as the NFWI accepted transwomen into the WI without a vote from the members and we are supposed to be democratic !

Doodledog Tue 02-Apr-24 15:35:31

I'm another JKR supporter. I think she's a heroine. Many people with her success and wealth would live the high life, but she's using the fact that she is high profile and can afford the best lawyers to protect the rest of us. That's solidarity, and I'm grateful for it.

If you're reading this, JK, have a high five from me.

Visgir1 Tue 02-Apr-24 15:29:37

Fully supported her, she's definitely in the Majority not the minority for support.

Ailidh Tue 02-Apr-24 14:25:48

I stand with J.K.Rowling.

Grantanow Tue 02-Apr-24 14:21:38

There are far more important things for the SNP to deal with - education, housing, drugs, employment. etc., instead of wasting resources on this kind of legislation which acts as a diversion.

AGAA4 Tue 02-Apr-24 14:16:33

I fully support J K Rowling. It is not a
hate crime to say that a man can biologically never be a woman. It is a fact.
She has received a lot of hate herself from transactivists. She won't use their preferred pronouns because they behave like misogynistic men.
She has told the Scottish police she is ready to be arrested when she returns to Scotland but I think there would or should be a huge outcry from women everywhere.

JudyBloom Tue 02-Apr-24 14:01:44

I am also wholeheartedly behind JK Rowling.

Dickens Tue 02-Apr-24 13:55:36

What I gather from the BBC article on this is that a biological man, identifying in whatever way he chooses, as a woman is now protected by legislation - but a biological woman, is not.

Misogyny is not a hate crime. But insisting that biological sex is immutable - quite easily, could become one.

An activist waving a placard around which tells us that TWAW - and might make reference to a "girl-dick" is not arrested. But women at a vigil for Sarah Everard with a placard which says "stop killing us" are quite likely to be (and were).

Mollygo Tue 02-Apr-24 13:54:34

Well done JKR.
When speaking the truth is a hate crime, even when it’s referring to specific, or any TIM who have cheated, lied to the detriment of females and offered violence to females, Scotland is not a good place to be.
When putting that law in place is considered more important than protecting females who suffer because of those actions, it says a lot about the misogyny of the man who enacted the law.

SueDonim Tue 02-Apr-24 13:51:04

Good for JKR! 👏 👏 👏

I’m sure she doesn’t need the money but I’d happily contribute to crowdfunding to support her, if required.