Is JK Rowling pushing the boundaries too far?

Maybe I'm being dim, but I don't follow your logic. If only older people were concerned for the vulnerable children at the clinics I might disagree that this was relevant but would see the logic, but as this is not the case I'm afraid you aren't making sense.

Doodledog, there is a statistically significant correlation between advancing age and intransigent attitude towards learning something new. I hold myself well warned.

Caleo

Doodledog wrote:

"Women have always been called things like 'intransigent' when a man doing the same thing would be 'determined', or 'have the courage of his convictions'. The comment is not only ageist, it's offensively sexist, too."

Old men and old women, statistically , are not good at changing their ideas. I used 'intransigent' as it is does not evaluate.

I imagine that Florence Nightingale would have considered the male army authorities bloody stubborn dinosaurs if she had had this year's vocabulary!

Ah, OK. Maybe I misunderstood. Are you saying that the fact that those speaking against the mutilation of children didn't change their ideas and back down, despite the abuse, the slander, the ruined careers etc was a good thing? They certainly weren't all elderly, though, by any definition.

Caleo

Callistemon , Alan Bates is not intransigent due to moral turpitude, or a fairly common disability of old age. His intransigence is due to his moral principles and his courage

People like Alan Bates, who are ‘intransigent’ about not allowing a lie to be accepted as the truth apply in many walks of life and especially in the subject if this thread.
Why would you, or anyone praise Alan Bates’ intransigence for refuting a lie and criticise other’s intransigence in refuting the lie that humans can change sex?

Incidentally

Moral turpitude refers generally to conduct which is inherently base, vile, or depraved, and contrary to the accepted rules of morality and the duties owed between persons or to society in general.

Strange that you aren’t applying that to the behaviour of TRA or TIM like India Willoughby who threaten actions against females TRA definitely fit that description.

So true, unfortunately.

What cowards people are.

Caleo why do you feel the need to use an ad hominem response?
Usually it is because there is no other way to defend ones pov.
Is that the case with you?
You can't therefore have much faith in your position if so.

Callistemon , Alan Bates is not intransigent due to moral turpitude, or a fairly common disability of old age. His intransigence is due to his moral principles and his courage

Callistemon, the history of names for places dedicated to these natural functions is interesting. I think it's true that most healthy mammals not only humans do pay special attention to keeping their waste products away from other activities. The changing words humans have for these locations reflect the need to keep the locations separate.

Galaxy

It is the intransigent women who have highlighted the medical scandal of our age, thank goodness for those women. It is the biddable people who have allowed this to happen.

Abso-bloody-lutely.

Galaxy

It is the intransigent women who have highlighted the medical scandal of our age, thank goodness for those women. It is the biddable people who have allowed this to happen.

It is an intransigent man who has persisted with the other great scandal of our age - The Post Office.
Thank goodness for persistence.

Perhaps a better description would be indefatigable or tenacious.

Old or young.

Doodledog wrote:

"Women have always been called things like 'intransigent' when a man doing the same thing would be 'determined', or 'have the courage of his convictions'. The comment is not only ageist, it's offensively sexist, too."

Old men and old women, statistically , are not good at changing their ideas. I used 'intransigent' as it is does not evaluate.

I imagine that Florence Nightingale would have considered the male army authorities bloody stubborn dinosaurs if she had had this year's vocabulary!

It is the intransigent women who have highlighted the medical scandal of our age, thank goodness for those women. It is the biddable people who have allowed this to happen.

It's true that public retreats ,that's to say 'toilets' to use the somewhat smelly word

I tend to call them lavatories.
Is that worse?

Or loos in polite company.

Mollygo, intransigence especially among the elderly is a statistical fact.

It's true that public retreats ,that's to say 'toilets' to use the somewhat smelly word , are inadequate for women not to mention people with babies , toddlers, and disabled people who may have special needs for changing facilities .There ought to be adequate, even comfortable provision for all.

There is a special lack of moral support for trans people who are people who include mothers, carers, and disabled as their individual cases may be.
If 'public toilets' were adequate they would be comfortably and safely unigender and unisex like any decently managed hotel , hospital, retirement home, school. or restaurant.

Caleo, why not substitute female where you put transgender and transgender where you put elderly. Then read it.

It's morally wrong that female people suffer from inadequate provision of comfortable safe toilets and changing rooms, and intransigent transpeople.

Doodledog

Women have always been called things like 'intransigent' when a man doing the same thing would be 'determined', or 'have the courage of his convictions'. The comment is not only ageist, it's offensively sexist, too.

... intransigent elderly Wow!

Substitute "trans people" for "elderly" - sounds bigoted doesn't it?

I suppose we are uncompromising in our belief that the spaces women have fought for should not be compromised; nor that we should be compelled to accept the belief - one which flies in the face of established medical science - that men can become women if they so choose?

Is a transwoman who insists that TWAW any less intransigent, I wonder.

Yes I did Iam64

Galaxy - I hope you saw my post as irony - I absolutely agree with you, the ‘be kind’ lot were/are the dark side
It’s like being liberated, to read the Cass report and feel validated after being accused of bigotry, of being the kind of people who would have opposed gay marriage and more

It seems instead that the 'be kind' lot were the 'dark side' all along. Who would have thought it.

The cass report was partly due to the women of MN. It provided a space for GC voices to be heard. There have been lots of brave women who deserve credit but Justine who runs MN is one of them.

Good posts at 19.30 and 19.37 Callistemon

I popped over to the Dark Side earlier. Fantastic to see the righteous anger being expressed about the attacks on Cass. Gives me hope

Now then, we mustn't get hysterical ......

Women have always been called things like 'intransigent' when a man doing the same thing would be 'determined', or 'have the courage of his convictions'. The comment is not only ageist, it's offensively sexist, too.

Your sweeping intransigent elderly shows how out of touch or deliberately blinkered you are being.

It was an astonishing statement.

Have you ever looked at Mumsnet, Caleo?
We are gentle, tolerant souls in comparison.