Gransnet forums

News & politics

Conscription -should UK initiate?

(221 Posts)
Bea65 Sun 07-Apr-24 11:21:15

Nato General on ?Sky and other military experts suggested maybe the UK should now bring back conscription? What do you GNs think....personally if healthy males/females between 18 and 25 have no work, and have never been employed, could add to the increase in military personnel and give them training and a career...

SueEH Mon 08-Apr-24 13:32:08

Absolutely not. I would not be willing to fight and would be horrified if my three children were conscripted as I know that they wouldn’t either. Happy to help in another way.

cc Mon 08-Apr-24 14:08:14

No.

Milest0ne Mon 08-Apr-24 14:18:32

would we end up with a lot of strong fit thugs?

polly123 Mon 08-Apr-24 14:21:47

Just no.

greenlady102 Mon 08-Apr-24 14:22:12

nope. Why should the army solve poor upbringing problems?

keepingquiet Mon 08-Apr-24 14:24:51

It's just the media winding people up, take no notice they are messing with people's heads.

MissAdventure Mon 08-Apr-24 14:25:21

I don't think "the experts" mentioned poor upbringings, so, include the well bought up to be conscripted, too.

Annma Mon 08-Apr-24 14:47:28

No thank you,we treat our ex military very badly in this country.The number of PTSD veterans is very high.

NannyC1 Mon 08-Apr-24 14:51:17

24JacquiG
What do we do about the Fathers raising their children?

WhatamIdoinghere Mon 08-Apr-24 15:01:59

Absolutely not. We have - and need - professional armed services. What unemployed young people need are opportunities to do meaningful work for a living wage, or educational opportunities that don't leave them tens of thousands of £ in debt.

grandtanteJE65 Mon 08-Apr-24 15:02:57

In Denmark where we do have conscription, it is most assuredly not only for those who are out of work, or seen as an answer to social problems.

In theory anyone of the male sex can be summonded to a Medical Board as soon as he is 18. Far from all young men have to do national service, as there is a system by which even those who are declared fit can draw an exemption card.

Right now ( at long last) there is talk of conscription being for women as well as men - my generation started pointing out the unfairness of it only being for men in 1969.

Concription in a democracy does not mean that soldiers will necessarily be involved in wars that they object to, as concienscious objectors are respected by law.

And from the age of 18 all citizens have both the right and the duty to vote,

It might be well. if countries that still have conscription, and many do, although there are no adequate lists of how many countries available, considered not only giving their young citizens the choice, as they have here, of army, navy and air force, but adding ambulance service, fire brigade and military nursing to the form of service one can choose between.

We also have schemes for interesting school leavers in going into the regular services and doing officers' training.

Those who have started studying to become doctors, lawyers, dentists or clergy before their conscription date can apply for exemption with a view to doing their conscription service once they have their degree and serve as chaplains, doctors, dentists in the forces, or lawyers in the Judge Advocate's dept.

Conscription cannot provide the amount of wel-trained.soldiers necessary either to defend our countries at need, or provide a sufficient deterrent to those looking enviously across our borders, but could and should provide, as does the Home Guard as reasonably well-trained reserve.

Callistemon21 Mon 08-Apr-24 15:12:12

Interesting, well-balanced post, grandtante.

There are a lot of misconceptions on the thread and perhaps if other posters read your post, they might understand more about conscription and what other countries do.

Greta Mon 08-Apr-24 15:45:28

I think the Scandinavians follow similar models of conscription. What I lack in the UK is an open and frank discussion; nobody is saying we must do what others are doing. I just find it odd that there is no discussion at all. Are we thinking that we are immune?

Joseann Mon 08-Apr-24 15:47:05

grandtanteJE65 That's very thought-provoking. Thank you, I was trying to get somewhere close to saying the same with what is being proposed by Macron in France.
Mainland Europe seems to be pretty switched on to these ideas. I remember when we were in Amsterdam in January this year, and learning about the occupation, it was explained to us that The Netherlands, which no longer has conscription, is taking the threat of a war seriously and preparing for it. We were told that all 17-year-old citizens were being sent a formasking about their willingness to serve in the Dutch army in the future.
That's why I can't quite bring myself to say Never in this country.

Callistemon21 Mon 08-Apr-24 15:47:17

Some people are going to have a big shock with such a head-in-the-sand attitude.

Callistemon21 Mon 08-Apr-24 15:47:45

Sorry, that was to Greta.

Joseann Mon 08-Apr-24 15:48:00

Crossed post Greta. I agree.

meddijess Mon 08-Apr-24 15:57:38

I just had a quick look online and the following countries now have some form of national service - France, Latvia, Lithuania, The Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Romania and Sweden. Why the almost hysterical response from some on this thread? No sane person wants to think of their country going to war, but with threats from Vladimir Putin almost daily, the UK ought to take steps to prepare its population.

Callistemon21 Mon 08-Apr-24 16:07:04

And Austria, Estonia, Finland, Greece plus, surprisingly, Switzerland which negates the remarks about cannon fodder etc. as Switzerland has a policy of neutrality.

It's about defence, not attack.

paddyann54 Mon 08-Apr-24 16:07:15

Why cant politicians sort things out round a table...instead of sending other peoples sons to do their dirty work.My granny always said it was young men who fought old mens wars and didn't benefit in any way from doing so.Time the old boys fought their own wars ...aren't they supposed to be wiser with age?

Callistemon21 Mon 08-Apr-24 16:10:09

The age-old question, paddyann

No, some of them are megalomaniacs.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 08-Apr-24 16:23:50

Can you imagine Putin adopting that approach?

Callistemon21 Mon 08-Apr-24 16:25:34

Germanshepherdsmum

Can you imagine Putin adopting that approach?

How about a cuppa, Vlad?
Now, let's have a nice chat about Ukraine, old boy.

I'd be in Siberia quick as you could say ice!

Callistemon21 Mon 08-Apr-24 16:27:38

My granny always said it was young men who fought old mens wars and didn't benefit in any way from doing so

Well, I for one am thankful that they did in WW2 and benefited us all.
I never met my father-in-law but I do think about him a lot.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 08-Apr-24 16:34:01

Or six feet under Calli.

I too am very grateful that young men fought for this country in two world wars. My grandfather was one of them, scarred physically and mentally for life.