Dr. Hilary Cass - report re trans.

No, definitely not for 4 year olds. Of course not.

About 3 months ago I talked this through with my niece who is a headteacher in a large secondary school.

She said the situation is that all these areas are out there on social Media including puberty blockers and often the young people have had more ideas/information than the teachers but buzzed around without structure.

We cant "Avoid" the issues but instead deal with them with responsible discussion which definitely includes that puberty blockers are not an option until accessing services at 18 and medically are questionable and possibly dangerous.

Remember the curriculum we are discussing is not ALL about trans and puberty blockers but all aspects of sexuality eg being gay or - unsure or - distressed - or curious. There is still a lot of homophobia out there in society (thats the Section 28 stuff I alluded too).

Wyllow3

I've just been through and read sections of the curriculum: my POV is not blanket rejection but clear boundaries drawn for teachers, which can and cant be used. For example, a section on being gay and the history of Section 28 felt useful and OK.

But for 4 year olds?

Why is it necessary?

I use the analogy of a sausage factory with this ideology.

Indoctrinate children as young as possible, which happens in school or nursery.
Sow the seeds of confusion, make it clear the only way to view all your worries or anxiousness is through the lens of gender.
Keep parents at arms length where ever possible.
Set up clubs (they are already set up in most senior schools) where they consolidate and reward the children who claim they feel they are in the wrong body.
Children then go looking for a remedy ie hormones surgery etc.

We have the Cass report which tackles the end result, but the 'sausages' are still being churned out by the schools.

Stopping what is happening in schools is of the utmost importance, if we want to succeed in stemming the tide of what amounts to a social contagion/manipulation by adults.

It's very worrying, Iam64

We have no idea of the long-term consequences.

The gender critical and many doctors raise concern about the long term impact of drugs to suppress puberty. I’ve not seen any evidence or discussion on the possibility of increasing the risk of cancer
I’m somewhat surrounded by cancer patients, or loved ones who died too young because of cancer
I may be raising this wrongly. We have enough worries about these children but we are talking Big Drugs.

I've just been through and read sections of the curriculum: my POV is not blanket rejection but clear boundaries drawn for teachers, which can and cant be used. For example, a section on being gay and the history of Section 28 felt useful and OK.

Urmstongran

Nooo!

In The Telegraph:

“ A controversial LGBT charity which is influential in hundreds of Scottish schools has described puberty blockers as “wonderful” and believes children should have “autonomy” to decide whether to take them.

LGBT Youth Scotland, which runs a controversial education charter scheme followed by a majority of Scottish secondary schools and dozens of primaries, is under fresh scrutiny after it denounced the findings of the Cass Review.”

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I think I've confused the issue M0nica by using the word legislation.
As the Scottish Gov. are funding the controversial scheme Urmston mentioned, I wondered if they would change their minds now and pull the funding?

I thought the British government had put the kybosh on the Scots gender bill.

Even more brickbats approaching from astern 😯

Callistemon21

Urmstongran

Nooo!

In The Telegraph:

“ A controversial LGBT charity which is influential in hundreds of Scottish schools has described puberty blockers as “wonderful” and believes children should have “autonomy” to decide whether to take them.

LGBT Youth Scotland, which runs a controversial education charter scheme followed by a majority of Scottish secondary schools and dozens of primaries, is under fresh scrutiny after it denounced the findings of the Cass Review.”

😱

It's Scotland, innit! Different government, different ideas.

I'll await the brickbats and rants.

Will the legislation actually go through now that Hamza Useless is likely to go?

Too much ideology and weaponizing.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/26/cass-review-gender-identity-services-report?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

An article by David Bell with his opinion of The Cass review.

Urmstongran

Nooo!

In The Telegraph:

“ A controversial LGBT charity which is influential in hundreds of Scottish schools has described puberty blockers as “wonderful” and believes children should have “autonomy” to decide whether to take them.

LGBT Youth Scotland, which runs a controversial education charter scheme followed by a majority of Scottish secondary schools and dozens of primaries, is under fresh scrutiny after it denounced the findings of the Cass Review.”

😱

It's Scotland, innit! Different government, different ideas.

I'll await the brickbats and rants.

Fools. These are virtue signalling zealots who should not be allowed anywhere near children. They have no qualifications whatsoever. If one more talks of learned experience, I shall scream. They’re talking about children!

The Scottish Government have today confirmed that £9 million will be paid on this nonsense over the next 5 years.

These weirdos should be in prison. If it's an offence to tattoo an under 18yo how can it be legal to chemically mutilate them?

Nooo!

In The Telegraph:

“ A controversial LGBT charity which is influential in hundreds of Scottish schools has described puberty blockers as “wonderful” and believes children should have “autonomy” to decide whether to take them.

LGBT Youth Scotland, which runs a controversial education charter scheme followed by a majority of Scottish secondary schools and dozens of primaries, is under fresh scrutiny after it denounced the findings of the Cass Review.”

😱

Glorianny

I'm by no means "roping them together" I'm simply asking why the increase in transpeople is regarded as "mass hysteria" whereas the increase in homosexuality is not.
It's quite judgemental to claim mass hysteria, although I suppose it is equivalent to the idea once very common that dominant mothers made boys homosexual.

It really is not equivalent . I know that TRAs would like it to be - after all, Stonewall hitched the trans cause to the LGB wagon, but there are huge differences between sex, sexuality and gender.

I may be wrong of course as we lack research but - it’s easy to conclude the rise in trans children amongst the children of Hollywood royalty isn’t in some way linked to trends

Mass hysteria is sometimes referred to as jumping on the bandwagon.
We typically refer to people or others “jumping on the bandwagon” to mean that they've joined a trend that has recently become popular. (Of course popularity doesn't make something good).

I'm by no means "roping them together" I'm simply asking why the increase in transpeople is regarded as "mass hysteria" whereas the increase in homosexuality is not.
It's quite judgemental to claim mass hysteria, although I suppose it is equivalent to the idea once very common that dominant mothers made boys homosexual.

I don't see them as parallel at all. one is about sexuality and the other about so-called 'gender'. I object to them being yoked together, and so do many in the LGB community.

Doodledog

*As regards the "mass hysteria" would you attribute the increase in the number of people identifying as homosexual to the same cause?*
No.

But trans identity has only recently become accepted and public.
Homosexuality has been legal for almost 50 years.
Why should numbers suddenly double?
Why do you attribute trans increases to mass hysteria but not homosexuality increases?

It was I think an 1000 % increase in girls identifying as boys and there wasnt the same increase in the boys. Men have always been the ones who dominated the gender dysphoria figures then it altered. That's curious and anyone with any kind of academic curiosity should have asked questions.
We should have asked questions about autism in relation to boys/girls differences but we didnt and it was a mistake.

As regards the "mass hysteria" would you attribute the increase in the number of people identifying as homosexual to the same cause?
No.

As regards the "mass hysteria" would you attribute the increase in the number of people identifying as homosexual to the same cause?
An estimated 3.1% of the UK population aged 16 years and over identified as lesbian, gay or bisexual (LGB) in 2020, an increase from 2.7% in 2019 and almost double the percentage from 2014 (1.6%)

The threats to Doctor Cass are deplorable.

Yes I thought hilary cass would be targeted, it was fairly predictable.

Doodledog

But if it's a MH issue, doesn't that mean that being 'born in the wrong body' makes no sense? I don't think the 'wrong body' idea makes sense anyway for social and biological reasons, but if gender confusion is a mental illness then it suggests that there is no biological basis.

There is an exponential increase in the number of children of celebrity parents announcing themselves as trans. Ben Affleck’s female born child introduced herself as Finn when speaking at their grandfather’s funeral