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Dr. Hilary Cass - report re trans.

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Urmstongran Tue 09-Apr-24 14:32:37

This, from Suzanne Moore today in The Telegraph:

“ When Dr Hilary Cass was commissioned to report on standards of care within the NHS, it was as if finally an adult had stepped into the room. She and her team have looked at the evidence and practices that have evolved the affirmative model (designed to support and affirm an individual’s gender identity) and found much wanting. She also signalled the high levels of comorbidities with gender dysphoria. A high proportion of girls who did not want to be girls were autistic. Many had troubled childhoods or had been in care. Many were gay. All of this resulted in the unravelling of Gids and a ban on puberty blockers.

In the full report, due to be published this week, Cass is not only concerned with medical intervention but is also expected to come out against “social transition”. This is not something that happens within the health service, but it is, she says, an “active intervention because it may have significant effects on the child or young person in terms of psychological functioning. There are different views on the benefits versus the harms of early social transition… it is not a neutral act and better information is needed about outcomes.”

Some believe that socially transitioning kids locks them into an identity and medical pathway that is detrimental. Cass says that gender expression is indeed fluid and changeable for adolescents and that many may take till their mid-20s to settle. In other words, leave these kids alone.”

Maybe, just maybe, we are turning a corner regarding this topic. I hope so.

Smileless2012 Tue 09-Apr-24 14:36:00

Thank you for sharing this Urmstongran at last there may be light at the end of this very dark and potentially very harmful tunnel.

sandelf Tue 09-Apr-24 14:40:11

Oh, balance and normality!!!

GrannyGravy13 Tue 09-Apr-24 14:53:59

Common sense at last👍🏻

Grandmabatty Tue 09-Apr-24 14:57:27

In over 25 years of teaching, I only encountered one pupil who was determined to change gender and did, to the extent that they changed name too. The school was very supportive of them. Before I retired six years ago, there were a number who were gender fluid or believed they were the wrong gender.Nearly every one had some mental health issues and were possibly gay but confused. Often some appeared to jump on the bandwagon as an attempt to understand their confusion. Once on the gender change rollercoaster, it's very difficult for teenagers to jump off. Anything which encourages a pause is welcome

Urmstongran Tue 09-Apr-24 15:08:37

Children are expected to grow up far too soon now, they are exposed to sexual and violent content on television and the internet, and we expect them to be able to deal with it. The internet and smart 'phones mean that the content and online bullying follow them around for as long as they are awake.
To deal with this, you need real adults, and there aren't many around.

Smileless2012 Tue 09-Apr-24 15:15:18

I know when we get older we can be accused of looking back through rose tinted glasses, but I do think how lucky I was to have been a child and teenager in the 60's and 70's. I wouldn't want to be one now.

Aveline Tue 09-Apr-24 15:21:43

Glad to read this. Some daylight at last.

Witzend Tue 09-Apr-24 15:23:28

Smileless2012

I know when we get older we can be accused of looking back through rose tinted glasses, but I do think how lucky I was to have been a child and teenager in the 60's and 70's. I wouldn't want to be one now.

Nor me, and I do worry about the Gdcs, all still well pre teen.
Smartphones weren’t anywhere near a Thing when dds were even at uni. One girl on dd1’s floor in hall on her first year was the only one to have even an old-style mobile phone, and she’s still referred to as Sarah Mobile!

Callistemon21 Tue 09-Apr-24 15:30:22

Thank you Urmstongran
At last.
Dr Cass and her team have researched this thoroughly and looked at all aspects and reasons why gender dysphoria. is increasing.

Let's hope we can now find some balance and perspective and can stop children being pressurised into changes they are not ready for and before they are really old enough to decide and why.

Iam64 Tue 09-Apr-24 15:33:04

Thanks urmston. Its reassuring that those of us accused of bigotry, ignorance, in need of education and more , share the views of Dr Cass

Callistemon21 Tue 09-Apr-24 15:40:47

No doubt someone will be along shortly to put the highly qualified, experienced and eminent Dr Cass on the naughty step along with Joanne Rowling and others who dare to challenge their agenda.

Doodledog Tue 09-Apr-24 15:50:26

Yes, it's sobering to think that these days it takes bravery to speak out about something like this.

I hope the report is taken seriously and not used as a way of shouting down biological realism.

AGAA4 Tue 09-Apr-24 15:57:11

Thanks Urmstongran. It's not a good idea for anyone to change gender until they are fully mature adults.

Iam64 Tue 09-Apr-24 16:08:07

When I worked with adolescents in residential care settings, there was a recognised phenomenon of self harm outbreaks. Months would pass with none. A new resident would arrive, almost always a girl, who would scratch at her arms, using a needle often. The behaviour would spread fast and stop remarkably quickly after staff intervened. Kindly I must add. I’m not minimising self harm or gender dysphoria, simply commenting on the demands on teachers, parents all those involved in helping children and young people negotiate growing up.

M0nica Tue 09-Apr-24 16:08:43

I find the whole previous approach so frightening because I am sure had I been where so many of these children were in 90s and 00s, I could well have been under-pressure to see gender change as a valid way forward.

Wheniwasyourage Tue 09-Apr-24 16:11:42

Thanks, Urmstongran. Perhaps the pendulum is starting to swing the other way at last and we may get a balanced approach which will help those few with genuine gender dysphoria without endangering the future of confused children and young people.

Galaxy Tue 09-Apr-24 16:21:42

Thank goodness. It's also worth noting that there will be forceful kickback to this and much of it is likely to be aimed at her. I have a lot of admiration for her.

Glorianny Tue 09-Apr-24 17:03:28

I just hope the report comes out with some positive advice for parents and for gender questioning children. Being told what not to do really isn't the most helpful thing is it? And the lack of services will throw many families into hugely difficult crises. In fact I can't think of any other condition where only negative advice is available, or considered acceptable. If anyone can I'd be delighted to know. Meantime my concern is how those children and families will cope, because they are not going to go away.

Galaxy Tue 09-Apr-24 17:33:24

They will be treated or supported for the conditions they have, anxiety, autism, etc instead of a 'treatment' which is more and more being shown to be an experiment on young people.

Smileless2012 Tue 09-Apr-24 17:39:40

Highlighting what's wrong with a current system isn't negative advice.

leave these kids alone so that they have time to make the right decisions and choices is good advice.

Glorianny Tue 09-Apr-24 18:27:36

Smileless2012

Highlighting what's wrong with a current system isn't negative advice.

leave these kids alone so that they have time to make the right decisions and choices is good advice.

Telling parents not to socially affirm a child's gender choice is though. That's not leaving them alone that's denying their very real feelings. The problems for parents who have to ignore what their child is telling them, and try to support them and maintain a loving relationship, will be huge. They will need supportive counselling which I suspect they will not get.

Wheniwasyourage Tue 09-Apr-24 18:47:43

Galaxy

They will be treated or supported for the conditions they have, anxiety, autism, etc instead of a 'treatment' which is more and more being shown to be an experiment on young people.

This

Urmstongran Tue 09-Apr-24 19:05:29

Wheniwasyourage

Galaxy

They will be treated or supported for the conditions they have, anxiety, autism, etc instead of a 'treatment' which is more and more being shown to be an experiment on young people.

This

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Doodledog Tue 09-Apr-24 19:08:31

It would be so good if that happened, and if more funding were given to research into the conditions you mention. It would be even better if that research could record findings by sex and not 'gender'.